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      10-03-2022, 07:11 PM   #23
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X1 went in the ditch…
All new model coming and stopped production around March/April. I haven't seen a 2022 X1 since February.
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      10-03-2022, 07:16 PM   #24
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You would have thought that was obvious, but apparently not.
It’s still funny, no matter what factors led to that number of units sold.
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No i4 sales…..meanwhile the waiting list is typically 10 deep at most dealerships.
That's part of the 4 series data. Remember the i4 is a G26 platform so it's the same chassis as it's ICE equipped counterpart.
I get that's the reason, but it seems disingenuous to do that. They should split out the M cars as well.
I don't see it that way. They don't separate 2 door, 4 door, convertible etc. it's inclusive of all models in that chassis group. It makes the data much easier to view.
I'm very much interested in the minutia of the data. I think it would be super interesting. To each their own though.
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And everyone's mad because BMW went down the XM route instead of a halo car.

The proof is in the numbers, they know what they're doing.
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I'm very much interested in the minutia of the data. I think it would be super interesting. To each their own though.
All the data is available from IHS Markit/S&P Global for a subscription. Also Ward’s Intelligence and Automotive News.
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Well done BMW for Q3 result vs last year.

What’s up with 3er and X5 for Q3 2022 vs 2021? X5 comes from Spartanburg, right? Why the much larger jump for X5 vs X3?
From what I've heard- less allocations and productions slots. No idea why…
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From what I've heard- less allocations and productions slots. No idea why…
I’m guessing if you have limited parts or personal, you’d prioritize the higher priced/better margin models maybe?
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x3 + x5 = 40k units out of 78k so over 50%

if they fuck them up like other models they are in deep trouble. This CEO and mgmt team has put the company in an undesirable position.

GM sales are up 24% and z06 is bonkers.
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From what I've heard- less allocations and productions slots. No idea why…
I’m guessing if you have limited parts or personal, you’d prioritize the higher priced/better margin models maybe?
The IX is a new In demand item- surprised it's not made in the USA
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Now I know why I see more X5's than any other luxury SUV on the road.
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Now I know why I see more X5's than any other luxury SUV on the road.
And prices aren't bad. Can't believe I said that.

Compare GLE and Cayenne pricing to X5. The X5 is a steal.
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      10-03-2022, 08:39 PM   #34
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Looking at the numbers I see spin.
Sedans are down significantly with the exception of the 5 series.

As a person waiting for an i4 M50, I don't believe for a second that iX and I4 we're models that fueled growth.
You are the one spinning a tale!
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Now I know why I see more X5's than any other luxury SUV on the road.
And prices aren't bad. Can't believe I said that.

Compare GLE and Cayenne pricing to X5. The X5 is a steal.
And the GLE350 is a 4 banger but is priced similarly to the X5 40i. Leasing? Not even close. There's so much more value across the board with the X5 than the GLE.
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From the sold 4 series, how many were i4?
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The nearly 61% drop in the 3er from Q3 2021 to Q3 2022 isn't news to anyone waiting for an M3 allocation.

Combine supply chain part shortages / chip shortages then add on the Russia/Ukraine war which caused wire harness shortages & neon gas shortages (used to make semiconductors) and frankly I'm surprised the drop in production wasn't worse.

US dealers are getting just a tiny fraction of the M3 allocations that they'd typically get. My dealer estimates they may only get 3 or 4 M3 allocations this entire year (normally would be 12-15 at minimum).

M3 production from 2021-2023 will probably end up being 25% of what it would have been had times been "normal".
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The X models are carrying BMW. They are everywhere. I'm honestly surprised the 3/4/5 cars are faring the way they are. Overall they are still ahead but that's gotta look undesirable (70% of my product selling less than previous year) if I'm CEO
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When you see the strong X3/X5/X7 numbers, you quickly understand their decision to make the XM.
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Nice way to spin a really bad trend here. Pretty much passenger cars are down 29% from 2021 and if it wasnt for the 4 series (i4), it might have been like 60%. I wonder of they included sales orders for I4 as sold orders coz def didnt think they delivered this many I4 with so many still waiting. This is becoming more apparent in the US where less and less people are buying sedans. It looks like the US is predominantly an SUV market and looks like bigger is better with the way the X5, X6 and X7. Wonder part of the X5 jump is due to their X5 45e which has been a stellar performer !!!
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The nearly 61% drop in the 3er from Q3 2021 to Q3 2022 isn't news to anyone waiting for an M3 allocation.

Combine supply chain part shortages / chip shortages then add on the Russia/Ukraine war which caused wire harness shortages & neon gas shortages (used to make semiconductors) and frankly I'm surprised the drop in production wasn't worse.

US dealers are getting just a tiny fraction of the M3 allocations that they'd typically get. My dealer estimates they may only get 3 or 4 M3 allocations this entire year (normally would be 12-15 at minimum).

M3 production from 2021-2023 will probably end up being 25% of what it would have been had times been "normal".
M3 sales are a tiny fraction of total 3 Series sales. Try again when you have trouble finding a 330i allocation.
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SUVs are the top sells pretty much of every brand, people like SUV's, those enthusiasts cars are and will always be a minority out there. Even if it feels like so many more are enthusiasts then there actually is, all the forums combined out there is a very small % of the actual car buyers out there. Same with for stuff like Manual gearboxes, there was a time when you would buy a SUV with a manual but today that is out of the question.

It would be nice to see difference in models sales on more detailed level, they probably have that internal in board meetings and reports but for the broad public this is probably what they show.

If we look at US Vehicle sales from last month we see this cars in the top.

Ram Pickup 38 870 units -16,49 on YTD LY
Toyota RAV4 32 317 units -13,82% YTD LY
Toyota Camry 27 859 units -16,50% YTD LY
Honda CR-V 22 205 units -38,41% YTD LY
Toyota Highlander 19 743 units -20,77% YTD LY
Toyota Corolla 18 874 units -10,62% YTD LY
Subaru Crosstrack 16 092 units +14,13% YTD LY

We see the X5 on place 35th with 6 937 units +35,48% YTD LY
We see the X3 on place 43th with 6 073 units -5,35% YTD LY

Then we see the BMW 4 Series line-up of cars at place 63th of sales with 3 086 units sold witch is a +43,51% on YTD LY

(filtered my Month sales) otherwise it shows very weird numbers.

So this is where BMW probably sees theirs market in the US on the SUV size, even though the 4 series stepped up its game on the sales side.

But yeah BMW is still not for the common person in terms of sales even if they are trying very hard to grab market shares on that side but the question is if BMW is having way to many models an all in the higher range of cost for the average person in terms of buying capacity.

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https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2022-u...ures-by-model/
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And everyone's mad because BMW went down the XM route instead of a halo car.

The proof is in the numbers, they know what they're doing.
Probably they do. We shall see.
For me however, every new model that comes up drastically norrows the number of models I will be interested in.
Right now, 8 Series, 3 Series and X4/X6 are the single ones that will do for my taste in design and engine. The more electric they go, the more big nostrils, the less choice for me. And, if that big screen is embraced by all models, I will honestly say that BMw is no longer a car for me.
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BMW 2 series and 3 series dropped by over 50% year on year for 3rd quarter
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