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      06-30-2022, 12:39 AM   #89
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It's a M4 with a body kit.
Same as what Lamborghini does, but at least the body kit is much more dramatic than this CSL, and is a Lamborghini with a justified price tag.
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      06-30-2022, 12:43 AM   #90
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Is it me or these look like center lock wheels ?
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I totally agree with the others. The G80’s grill should’ve look like this in the first place.

I guess I’m one of those guys who STILL couldn’t get over the G80 grill. It’s just too damn ugly. It never grew on me. It’s a grill on a mother could love…
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      06-30-2022, 01:24 AM   #92
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Nope. Layout/desig looks different! It is rather a BMW M963 wheel ... eventually in 20/21 instead of 19/20 inch.
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      06-30-2022, 01:42 AM   #93
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A lot missing here ... but good pointer to where the grill should have always been
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      06-30-2022, 02:14 AM   #94
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Is it me or these look like center lock wheels ?
LOVE these freaking wheels
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      06-30-2022, 02:35 AM   #95
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Is it me or these look like center lock wheels ?
LOVE these freaking wheels
Looking at the concept car's wheels, they look like center locks as well. It would be pretty cool for the production car to have them. Hopefully what looks like a center lock is truly a center lock.
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      06-30-2022, 07:21 AM   #96
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Not this hood line talk again. Please God save us.

A complete non-issue
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I think they should have based this car off the M2. It would have been more proportionally like the concept (which appears based more off a 2 series than a 4) This car looks way too long compared to the concept.

But of course, BMW wouldn't admit to the m2 providing a better driving experience than the 3/4 (which have gotten too big)
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The concept was based on a 4 series

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I think they should have based this car off the M2. It would have been more proportionally like the concept (which appears based more off a 2 series than a 4) This car looks way too long compared to the concept.

But of course, BMW wouldn't admit to the m2 providing a better driving experience than the 3/4 (which have gotten too big)
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Lol @ floating rear calipers on a $300k+ car. A non decalled M4 GT3 with a CSL body kit would have sufficed
It's not just the calipers though, clearly this is a G82 with some stuff tacked on and not a bespoke car worth the supposed $600K price.
The entire thing is an exercise in cost cutting. For $600K, here's the stuff you dont get; a bespoke chassis, motor, running gear, and braking. Kind of insane. I can't imagine what a customer who purchased one sight unseen would feel. You're expecting a bespoke supercar but get this.
Now lets be clear here, this doesn't affect me whatsoever since, you know, I don't have $600K to spend on a car. So my opinion is completely moot.
Side note, the AMG GTR Black Series also has sliding rear calipers.
Truly, everyone is cutting cost and raising prices. Still, it's sad seeing what BMW is doing to their M division. No more bespoke DCT, no more huge brakes, CLAR so more weight and size yet somehow interior shrinks. Oh well.
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Not this hood line talk again. Please God save us.

A complete non-issue
People go on and on about something so inconsequential to the car; whining for the sake of whining.
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Atleast give it the proper holfmeister kink
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Atleast give it the proper holfmeister kink
Nobody really cares about that just like nobody cares about the revised hood line. That's a forum geek thing.
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Just want to add that the front kinda reminds of the old pre-LCI M2 grill. Looks like an enlarged version of that. It will probably look good without the camo, but still. Nice car overall.
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Thought this was going to be a bespoke supercar going by the pricing estimates being thrown around.
A 4 series albeit with a transaxle, composite panels, trick suspension arms, centrelock hubs, beefed up drivetrain etc is still a 4 series.
Yes its a very trick car in the vein of an AMG gt black series etc. However its certainly not a 'supercar' & should be priced accordingly i would have thought. I can't understand people paying half a million $US for a tricked up 4 series.
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Nobody really cares about that just like nobody cares about the revised hood line. That's a forum geek thing.
Just like the floated rear calipers, first world problem
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Nobody really cares about that just like nobody cares about the revised hood line. That's a forum geek thing.
Just like the floated rear calipers, first world problem
Agreed! Even a Mercedes AMG Black Series GT has a floating rear brake caliper. Stopping power is not affected.
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That grill is 100% fire!
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Nobody really cares about that just like nobody cares about the revised hood line. That's a forum geek thing.
Just like the floated rear calipers, first world problem
Don't agree at all, one is merely cosmetic the other is performance related.
If you don't understand the difference between a multi piston caliper & a sliding single piston caliper do some research.
It's simply a cost cutting exercise due to the implementation of an electric handbrake & SOME manufacturers (eg BMW/Mercedes) unwillingness to develop & implement a better solution than simply upping the front brakes stopping power or increasing rotor sizing. Some other manufacturers of performance cars do it properly (eg Ferrari/Porsche).
Yes you can obviously make it work but it's clearly never going to be as good a solution.
ANYONE who can't understand that ask yourself why did BMW feel a need to have multi piston calipers on the rear of the previous F series M cars which were also comparably lighter & less powerful cars…?
Sorry to go off topic but I get tired of the statements by those with zero mechanical understanding that are so willing to swallow & parrot whatever marketing bs they are fed.🙄
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Nobody really cares about that just like nobody cares about the revised hood line. That's a forum geek thing.
Just like the floated rear calipers, first world problem
Don't agree at all, one is merely cosmetic the other is performance related.
If you don't understand the difference between a multi piston caliper & a sliding single piston caliper do some research.
It's simply a cost cutting exercise due to the implementation of an electric handbrake & SOME manufacturers (eg BMW/Mercedes) unwillingness to develop & implement a better solution than simply upping the front brakes stopping power or increasing rotor sizing. Some other manufacturers of performance cars do it properly (eg Ferrari/Porsche).
Yes you can obviously make it work but it's clearly never going to be as good a solution.
ANYONE who can't understand that ask yourself why did BMW feel a need to have multi piston calipers on the rear of the previous F series M cars which were also comparably lighter & less powerful cars…?
Sorry to go off topic but I get tired of the statements on these forums by owners/fanboys with zero mechanical understanding that are so willing to swallow & parrot whatever marketing bs they are fed.🙄
You're unwilling to recognize that just because the caliper floats by design does not mean it immediately results in horrible brake performance. We're not idiots. You think the self-proclaimed enthusiast doesn't recognize the difference in operation between a piston set-up and a floating set-up?!?…..and the benefits to both?!? EVERYTHING to detractors is an exercise in how BMW is cost-cutting and trying to give the potential buyer the shaft. Rarely ever do you look at things objectively from the other vantage point.

Just for reference….

…an F82 needed about 151 feet to brake from 70-0 mph. The G82 needs 146 feet to achieve the same thing. Those numbers vary slightly depending on surface, time of day, etc., but overall stopping power isn't affected.
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@sedan_clan a few points to add to the conversation (and to sidebar from the ridiculous name calling and whatnot the other poster was doing):

1- you brought up stopping distance. That has nothing to do with brakes. That is all traction. Unless the brakes fade during that breaking, every car has enough brakes to lock the wheels. How far they take to stop depends on the traction the tires have to stop. Stopping distance is immaterial to the floating/fixed piston discussion.
2- when you bring up that few people track their cars, and if they do they upgrade the brakes, you’re somewhat making the point that BMW cheaped out on brakes. And they may have used the same logic you did.

I understand you’re trying to say BMW didn’t cheap out. A fixed calliper is more expensive than a floating single piston calliper. BMW decided to use a single piston floating calliper on a heavier car. If not for cost, what technical reason did they have?
I may have missed your perspective in other posts.

By “cheap out”, let’s understand BMW used what was necessary to have the car perform as they wanted it to, while making compromises to make the car viable (or else every part would be carbon fibre, for example, cost a fortune and not sell), and lucrative.

By “cheap out”, some are making the case that BMW is profiting more now than they did.
Which is industry standard.
An engineer that develops a hub with one less bolt (e.g. from 5 to 4), while saving pennies per wheel, saves the company millions as millions of cars are built. That’s how it works. I’m curious to understand how it isn’t “cheaper, but it is better”. Unless we’re splitting hairs here and debating the semantics of “cheapening out”. If we agree with this, I think we’re all on the same page. Doesn’t make the new brakes better though.
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