California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

[jmg]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

You talking about Putin?

lol no... but the military often functions like this with varying degrees of success.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by jmg

lol no... but the military often functions like this with varying degrees of success.

If only someone told him, right? Of if they did, if only he listened...

[x3sm]

Just drove a Tesla 3 RWD again the other day, so much fun and such a cool car. Would love it as a daily and a '80s 911 Turbo as a weekender.

Anyone know what will happen to ICE vehicles that are bought like 2-3 years before the big 2035? Will they plummet in value? Would there even be gas in all the place it is now by 2030ish?

Also, what say you of this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/13/why-...in-on-evs.html

Cliff notes:

Toyota believes all-electric vehicles are one solution, not the solution.

Toyota believes it really will be a mixed market (w/hydrogen, eFuels)

Toyota expects different areas of the world to adopt electric vehicles at varying rates, largely based on available energy, infrastructure and raw materials needed for the batteries to power the vehicles.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by x3sm

Just drove a Tesla 3 RWD again the other day, so much fun and such a cool car. Would love it as a daily and a '80s 911 Turbo as a weekender.

Anyone know what will happen to ICE vehicles that are bought like 2-3 years before the big 2035? Will they plummet in value? Would there even be gas in all the place it is now by 2030ish?

Also, what say you of this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/13/why-...in-on-evs.html

Cliff notes:

Toyota believes all-electric vehicles are one solution, not the solution.

Toyota believes it really will be a mixed market (w/hydrogen, eFuels)

Toyota expects different areas of the world to adopt electric vehicles at varying rates, largely based on available energy, infrastructure and raw materials needed for the batteries to power the vehicles.

Toyota has been running a lot of alternative fuel grants from the Japanese government with little or no intent to follow through. They've done a lot of dog and pony show with this with very little seriousness. Hydrogen is one example of this, to get useful density, it has to be compressed to insane pressures, besides adding weight to the car for a crazy strong "tank", it takes lots of energy to compress the fuel to that state, and that's after it's extracted and trucked around to everywhere that has to build these new tanks. It's not practical. That's one reason why a lot of manufacturers are skipping right to EVs, but for certain applications ICE will be here for the foreseeable future. Just that EVs work for a huge cross-section of people, based on their daily and distance needs.

[Equilibrandt]

Not to mention that one of the biggest constraints with hydrogen fuel is the freezing temps and frozen nozzles.

Works great down here in Cali; four of my coworkers drive Toyota Mirais. But would that same hydrogen infrastructure simply work in freezing Minnesota? Not currently.

It's a good bet that the migration period will tilt toward turbo 4-bangers with big EV systems, hydrogen cars in places that have climates to support it (or they fix the hydrogen refueling issues), and of course, a large swathe of pure PHEVs.

[Alfisti]

Toyota is right.

[RM7]

Here's a subaru on the highway from a few weeks ago

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by RM7

Here's a subaru on the highway from a few weeks ago

Visconti tuned most likely:-)🔥🔥

[Efthreeoh]

Talk about climate change, that burnin' Subie is already making it rain!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by jmg

An ICE has pretty much one source of energy: fossil fuels.

An EV has multiple sources: wind, solar, coal, nuclear etc...

So it really depends on how we source our electricity. With the EV with have choices, some better than others. With the ICE, we really only have one choice.

As much as I love a ICE cars with all the noises and drama. Clearly EV is a superior technology because it CAN be powered by renewables and nuclear. That is why its important we develop the technology now instead of later. Yes today a lot of the worlds electricity is dirty but we hope in the future this changes. Everything has to happen in time. Long term when we are all dead people will be amazed we drove cars, planes, boats around that put dangerous pollutants in the air.

It would have been a lot more convenient if we developed a liquid form of energy that could replace oil and was sustainable. Of course "e-fuel" is a thing but doesn't look that promising. That way we could have kept the current infrastructure intact and made a easy transition. Oh well

[RM7]

Originally Posted by OuterBanks

It's called Hydrogen. BMW has even mfg test vehicles and there have been several mfgs who have made and sold models in limited quantities in the past. It just doesn't fit the mold of what the control freaks want so there you have it.

It also doesn't compress easily and requires tanks that can support insane pressures, requires tons of energy to produce and then compress to those pressures, requires trucking all over the country in vehicles and pipelines, and so on. It's about as practical as a poopy-flavored lollypop for cars. For big ocean ships it may make a little more sense, but it takes way more energy to make it work and then it works crappy because of all the weight/cost required to hold 10,000psi. Oh, and then you are tried to one energy source...vs. being able to tap into coal, fusion, hydroelectric, solar, etc....It just seems to be some sort of irrational attraction because it's "some kind of ICE engine".

[KevinGS]

I know many of us don't want to face it, but at some point, this is our future: https://aptera.us/

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

I know many of us don't want to face it, but at some point, this is our future: https://aptera.us/

Does it come with an all white paint job?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

I know many of us don't want to face it, but at some point, this is our future: https://aptera.us/

And shortly after that :



It's even green, so there is that...

[GoneIn4Secs]

https://youtube.com/shorts/eW1lrtUJTrM


Doesnt let me embed, but go ahead and watch it

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

And shortly after that :



It's even green, so there is that...

Maybe the end of obese Americans would follow. Or maybe in a nation the dispenses cheese from aerosol cans, that just won't happen.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

I know many of us don't want to face it, but at some point, this is our future: https://aptera.us/

What happens to that thing when a 9,000lbs Hummer runs a stop sign t-bones it?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by M3WC

What happens to that thing when a 9,000lbs Hummer runs a stop sign t-bones it?

Similar to what happens when an F-350 does.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by RM7

Similar to what happens when an F-350 does.

Hummer's got about another 1,000lbs on dually F350 long bed with 6.7 power stroke.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Hummer's got about another 1,000lbs on dually F350 long bed with 6.7 power stroke.

8000 9000...don't think we are going to see much of a difference here. They call em bro-dozers for a reason.

[ianerrid]

Originally Posted by beachBmmr

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/c...emissions.html

Good Luck with that...

Dumb politicians aren't thinking this through duh! The electricity system is already creaking and is nowhere near ready and will need trillions to fix...

[M4Tejas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Newsom


Is he still the governor?