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      05-10-2019, 11:14 PM   #111
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So, reading a few articles today, I came across a question I've seen in years past and again, it really hit home.

I struggle with our current political climate these days because there is too much 'us and them'. I am quite liberal when it comes to my social policy approval. I think gay folks should be allowed to marry and get the same government rights as everyone else. I don't think a church should be mandated to officiate the wedding, though. I think we need to revamp our criminal justice system to spend more time finding ways to correct bad behavior instead of just incarcerating folks and making it more likely for them to continue down the wrong path in the future. There are many other examples as well. But - ultimately I always vote Republican because of this question below. I simply cannot come up with a single answer to it:

Name one left wing Democrat objective that, if implemented, would allow you to earn and keep more money and/or that would make you freer.

I honestly cannot think of one. As such, I continue to vote a party ticket even though some of the Republican ideals make me upset or I don't agree with. The lesser of two evils, so to speak.

So - left wing friends - and anyone else who cares to join in - help me out here. Can you answer the question and provide supporting evidence of the response? I am honestly willing to listen.


A) money isn’t everything...
B) the new tax plan is costing me way more money than the old one. The middle class just got royally screwed.
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And... why politics on a bmw blog? I just wanna know what peeps think of drilled and slotted stoptech disks
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      05-10-2019, 11:26 PM   #113
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And... why politics on a bmw blog? I just wanna know what peeps think of drilled and slotted stoptech disks
Then don't visit the OT boards. No one is forcing you. My guess is that the OT boards drive a significant portion of the traffic.
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      05-11-2019, 12:01 AM   #114
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How about not allowing my crazy uncle to get.a gun from random gun show in AZ?
Ok. How, specifically? And anything else? I ask because I see a lot of people recommending "sensible" or "common sense" gun control but everyone seems to have a different definition of what that is.
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Sensible gun control is desperately needed in this country. Saying that guns don't walk out the door and mass murder is just idiotic. Your pick up trucks don't drive themselves and commit mass murder but we regulate vehicles. Oh wait......maybe we just need to deport Elon Musk...

NRA uses scare tactics on the deplorable saying Obama and Hilary coming to take guns away actually works. Bigly sad.
So you’re saying that guns do walk out the door and commit mass murder? I just want to clarify since I sounded idiotic and all.
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Sensible gun control is desperately needed in this country. Saying that guns don't walk out the door and mass murder is just idiotic. Your pick up trucks don't drive themselves and commit mass murder but we regulate vehicles. Oh wait......maybe we just need to deport Elon Musk...

NRA uses scare tactics on the deplorable saying Obama and Hilary coming to take guns away actually works. Bigly sad.
Well, I tried to explain this, but I'm getting a sense that you don't have an open mind. That said, to the extent you are suggesting that I have been taken in by propaganda, and lack the capacity for critical thought, this is simply ad hominem insult, not an argument.
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      05-11-2019, 05:13 AM   #117
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Guns are regulated currently
Too much regulation if you ask me.

Thank God almighty for the NRA.
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      05-14-2019, 01:50 PM   #118
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So, reading a few articles today, I came across a question I've seen in years past and again, it really hit home.

I struggle with our current political climate these days because there is too much 'us and them'. I am quite liberal when it comes to my social policy approval. I think gay folks should be allowed to marry and get the same government rights as everyone else. I don't think a church should be mandated to officiate the wedding, though. I think we need to revamp our criminal justice system to spend more time finding ways to correct bad behavior instead of just incarcerating folks and making it more likely for them to continue down the wrong path in the future. There are many other examples as well. But - ultimately I always vote Republican because of this question below. I simply cannot come up with a single answer to it:

Name one left wing Democrat objective that, if implemented, would allow you to earn and keep more money and/or that would make you freer.

I honestly cannot think of one. As such, I continue to vote a party ticket even though some of the Republican ideals make me upset or I don't agree with. The lesser of two evils, so to speak.

So - left wing friends - and anyone else who cares to join in - help me out here. Can you answer the question and provide supporting evidence of the response? I am honestly willing to listen.

But you're assuming that the status quo means freedom for the person as it is.

Do women feel free if the government can force them to carry a baby to term? How does that help them "earn and keep more money or make them freer."

Do minorities feel free if they have a much harder time getting loans or housing without fair housing or non-discrimination?

Do we overall feel free if our basic medical care is so out of sorts that one accident or stroke of bad genetic luck can mean permanent debt or limitations where for some conditions we can actually treat or fix?

Those are all "leftist" policies that if enacted would allow those people to earn and keep more money and make them freer.

I'm not an explicit liberal but definitely lean left or solid left on those three issues. I have always thought of the general Republican mantra one of self reliance and the general Democratic mantra one of what provides more for the most. Neither is right or wrong. Like sure you can always blame yourself or your brother for making poor choices and not going to school and getting a good job and providing for themselves but we don't live in a vacuum - what about communities where there are, say, 10k people fighting for 6k jobs? Yeah of course you can individually blame any of those 4k people who are out of work for not working harder or not interviewing better but at the same time you have a policy problem because no matter what you're going to have 4k people without work.

LA is a good example because anybody CAN make it here and live a great life, success, rich, etc... but the lack of housing and costs and difficulty of travel means that it's simply not possible for everybody. So what of those people? Not everybody in dire straights or homeless has made big mistakes, sometimes people have shit luck.
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      05-14-2019, 02:00 PM   #119
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LA is a good example because anybody CAN make it here and live a great life, success, rich, etc... but the lack of housing and costs and difficulty of travel means that it's simply not possible for everybody.
No, because of a funny thing called physics, it's not possible for EVERYBODY to live in LA, nor make it big, nor have a pool and a BMW. What could ANYONE of any political persuasion do to make this any better?

LIFE IS NOT FAIR. You are ENTITLED to die, but not much else. ANYTHING else you do in your life is up to YOU.

For the record, I'm registered "Decline to state" and in the last presidential election I wrote in Kevin Faulconer, Mayor of San Diego (because he promised me way back in junior high that if he ever made it to the WH, he would invite me/my family)
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No, because of a funny thing called physics, it's not possible for EVERYBODY to live in LA, nor make it big, nor have a pool and a BMW. What could ANYONE of any political persuasion do to make this any better?

LIFE IS NOT FAIR. You are ENTITLED to die, but not much else. ANYTHING else you do in your life is up to YOU.

For the record, I'm registered "Decline to state" and in the last presidential election I wrote in Kevin Faulconer, Mayor of San Diego (because he promised me way back in junior high that if he ever made it to the WH, he would invite me/my family)
And in 2020 you'll be writing Prez Kerr in right? I think I've got better odds than Kevin, and I not only promise to invite you to visit the WH, I'll also let you jump in the pool with your clothes on. Mostly because I'd be horribly scarred for life if you took your clothes off.
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      05-14-2019, 02:10 PM   #121
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And in 2020 you'll be writing Prez Kerr in right? I think I've got better odds than Kevin, and I not only promise to invite you to visit the WH, I'll also let you jump in the pool with your clothes on. Mostly because I'd be horribly scarred for life if you took your clothes off.
I was leaning your way until the whole clothes thingy.

Can I openly pee in the Rose Garden, like at home in the back yard??? Because sometimes in "the heat" of the moment, I have to remember just where I am and if it's appropriate to pee on the grass or not. Why society makes things so hard??????
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I was leaning your way until the whole clothes thingy.

Can I openly pee in the Rose Garden, like at home in the back yard??? Because sometimes in "the heat" of the moment, I have to remember just where I am and if it's appropriate to pee on the grass or not. Why society makes things so hard??????
Have no idea what the Rose Garden is, so as long as it is just a bunch of roses and not some sort of memorial for the dead / soldiers, then certainly you can. Flowers need all sorts of nutrients. I've watered many a plant myself.
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      05-14-2019, 02:51 PM   #123
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Here's a solid and honest question. What happened to the OP? Run Silent has disappeared on us!
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Here's a solid and honest question. What happened to the OP? Run Silent has disappeared on us!
He is not missing. Got a PM from him that said he would be out of pocket for awhile, but will be back.
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He is not missing. Got a PM from him that said he would be out of pocket for awhile, but will be back.
Well that's a relief! Thanks for chiming in.
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Here's a solid and honest question. What happened to the OP? Run Silent has disappeared on us!
As opposed to an unhonest question?
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Here's a solid and honest question. What happened to the OP? Run Silent has disappeared on us!
I guess he's just running silent?

I wouldn't worry, I don't think he's going anywhere very soon. Eventually I figure he'll wind up in Fchat or whatever the Ferrari forums are.
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As opposed to an unhonest question?
It was a play on the title of this thread....
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I guess he's just running silent?

I wouldn't worry, I don't think he's going anywhere very soon. Eventually I figure he'll wind up in Fchat or whatever the Ferrari forums are.
Ah, yes, the Ferrari forums. Is that where Lups wound up? Havent seen her around here for a while either.

Well if he is heading upmarket to a flashy new F-car forum, hopefully he'll stick around here long enough for us bottom-feeding troglodytes to harass him mercilessly for it.

Top 5 posts today in the Ferrari Forum:

1) Oil change DIY Instructions: Step 1 = pay someone to change your oil. Step 2 = Done.
2) Post photos of your engine fire!
3) Which shade of red do you prefer?
4) Does it count as a "collection" if I only have 10 Ferraris?
5) What's you favorite Magnum PI Episode?

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      05-14-2019, 04:02 PM   #130
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Ah, yes, the Ferrari forums. Is that where Lups wound up? Havent seen here around here for a while either.

Well if he is heading upmarket to a flashy new F-car forum, hopefully he'll stick around here long enough for us bottom-feeding troglodytes to harass him mercilessly for it.

Top 5 posts today in the Ferrari Forum:

1) Oil change DIY Instructions: Step 1 = pay someone to change your oil. Step 2 = Done.
2) Post photos of your engine fire!
3) Which shade of red do you prefer?
4) Does it count as a "collection" if I only have 10 Ferraris?
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Nah mate, I just fucked up my wrist so I'm more of a reading member these days.

Ferrari forum. Fuck you too.
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How would you know this? Did mommy catch you jerking off to some Big Foot porn ?
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Nah mate, I just fucked up my wrist so I'm more of a reading member these days.

Ferrari forum. Fuck you too.
Sorry to hear that. No more home improvement projects for you!
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Have no idea what the Rose Garden is, so as long as it is just a bunch of roses and not some sort of memorial for the dead / soldiers, then certainly you can. Flowers need all sorts of nutrients. I've watered many a plant myself.
IF you are going to be presiding you need to know : The White House Rose Garden is a garden bordering the Oval Office and the West Wing of the White House in Washington, D.C., United States. The garden is approximately 125 feet long and 60 feet wide.

Did you know: Events that are held in the Rose Garden today include the annual pardoning of the turkey, and other presidential ceremonies and speeches (emphasis mine. EXTREMELY important part of your duties)
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