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      09-11-2017, 12:33 PM   #1
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Seems like a very subdued 9/11 today.

I guess with all the natural disasters going on, there isn't as much focus on this today as in past years.
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Haven't you heard? Being patriotic is racist.
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Haven't you heard? Being patriotic is racist.
Oh, and if you're proud to be an American, you're probably a nazi too.
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Haven't you heard? Being patriotic is racist.
Basically. My white privilege has gone bad
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Notice how there was a big media surge about this last year....15th anniversary. You'll see it again in 4 years. Only big number anniversaries matter. Same with Hiroshima, Katrina, any other event.
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I've said this before on other anniversaries of 9/11. This trend was already happening where not much attention is being paid on what happened on this day. Just go to Ground Zero on any given day. The way people carry on laughing/taking selfies is appalling on what amounts to a grave site for over 2000 people who have died.
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You are not alone..Sounds like in Belgium.
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I'll never forget.


But, isn't it time to let the wounds heal, quit ripping the bandage off every year? Let the love leak back in and bring the world back from the crazy edge?
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I've said this before on other anniversaries of 9/11. This trend was already happening where not much attention is being paid on what happened on this day. Just go to Ground Zero on any given day. The way people carry on laughing/taking selfies is appalling on what amounts to a grave site for over 2000 people who have died.
I'll admit, I cried almost the whole time I toured the NYC 9/11 museum. Especially the crushed firetrucks.
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I'll admit, I cried almost the whole time I toured the NYC 9/11 museum. Especially the crushed firetrucks.
While I wasn't directly affected by 9/11, I still take it personally as I'm part of the brotherhood of first responders. I've paid my respects at Ground Zero a number of times. My wife asked if I wanted to have a picture taken of me in front of one of the responding stations as I was looking through the list of the fallen fire fighters. I said no. It's not about me.

I also remember the rage I felt when I was at Ground Zero after the recovery effort was done and the debris was largely removed. I was angry at the cock roaches which had set up their kiosks trying to peddle their 9/11 related merchandise. The whole stretch resembled some sort of flea market bizarre.

I'm just glad I can say I was able to help with giving some pay back to the dirt bag terrorists after 9/11 with my work in supporting counter terrorism efforts.
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I'll admit, I cried almost the whole time I toured the NYC 9/11 museum. Especially the crushed firetrucks.
While I wasn't directly affected by 9/11, I still take it personally as I'm part of the brotherhood of first responders. I've paid my respects at Ground Zero a number of times. My wife asked if I wanted to have a picture taken of me in front of one of the responding stations as I was looking through the list of the fallen fire fighters. I said no. It's not about me.

I also remember the rage I felt when I was at Ground Zero after the recovery effort was done and the debris was largely removed. I was angry at the cock roaches which had set up their kiosks trying to peddle their 9/11 related merchandise. The whole stretch resembled some sort of flea market bizarre.

I'm just glad I can say I was able to help with giving some pay back to the dirt bag terrorists after 9/11 with my work in supporting counter terrorism efforts.
....and then Obama gave $6B of our tax dollars to the dirtbag Iranian terrorists...
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I'll never forget.


But, isn't it time to let the wounds heal, quit ripping the bandage off every year? Let the love leak back in and bring the world back from the crazy edge?
Healing is one thing. Forgetting is entirely another.

Never forget.
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Healing is one thing. Forgetting is entirely another.

Never forget.
The deep wounds, even when healed, always leave a scar.
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People stopped caring about 9/11 a few years after the fact and you're just noticing this NOW?
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People stopped caring about 9/11 a few years after the fact and you're just noticing this NOW?
I don't think that is necessarily true--what we have is a generation of adults now who were not really here when it happened. Those of us who were adults at the time will never forget. It is kind of like Pearl Harbor--most of us only know about it from pictures and history books so it does not seem as real. Of course as time goes by any event becomes a more distant memory.
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I don't think that is necessarily true--what we have is a generation of adults now who were not really here when it happened. Those of us who were adults at the time will never forget. It is kind of like Pearl Harbor--most of us only know about it from pictures and history books so it does not seem as real. Of course as time goes by any event becomes a more distant memory.
I think it is true. Regardless of whether you were old enough when it happened, there's a fundamental decency and respect lacking in people's conduct and observance of this tragic moment in our history. This is evidenced by what I have observed on a number of occasions of people's conduct at Ground Zero.

I wasn't alive when Pearl Harbor happened. But I know I wouldn't go to the Pearl Harbor memorial laughing/joking and taking selfies of myself there. Takes a special idiot to have this kind of disrespect at someone's grave site, where someone died, where someone was killed.

In the case of Ground Zero, it's a place where people were murdered and it ended up being their final resting place.

To add to how society has changed for the worse, this is some evidence of the cock roaches that are mixed into our species:

https://www.cnbc.com/american-greed-911-fraud/
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....and then Obama gave $6B of our tax dollars to the dirtbag Iranian terrorists...
1. It was actually their money that we returned
2. You do know the hijackers were Saudi and Emirati correct?
3. Our "partners" in Saudi Arabia and the UAE are the #1 exporters of terrorism in the world, not Iran. But because they have a lot of clout from their oil reserves, we tolerate them.


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I don't think that is necessarily true--what we have is a generation of adults now who were not really here when it happened. Those of us who were adults at the time will never forget. It is kind of like Pearl Harbor--most of us only know about it from pictures and history books so it does not seem as real. Of course as time goes by any event becomes a more distant memory.
I agree all history becomes a distant memory and ultimately forgotten. Should we expect everyone to commemorate one specific terrible event for the rest of our lives?
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....and then Obama gave $6B of our tax dollars to the dirtbag Iranian terrorists...
1. It was actually their money that we returned
2. You do know the hijackers were Saudi and Emirati correct?
3. Our "partners" in Saudi Arabia and the UAE are the #1 exporters of terrorism in the world, not Iran. But because they have a lot of clout from their oil reserves, we tolerate them.


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I don't think that is necessarily true--what we have is a generation of adults now who were not really here when it happened. Those of us who were adults at the time will never forget. It is kind of like Pearl Harbor--most of us only know about it from pictures and history books so it does not seem as real. Of course as time goes by any event becomes a more distant memory.
I agree all history becomes a distant memory and ultimately forgotten. Should we expect everyone to commemorate one specific terrible event for the rest of our lives?
It was $400m of their money that we froze in our banks, in the late 1970's. They held (and abused) 150 Americans for 1.5 years, and trashed/confiscated our embassy. For that, I would consider the $400M our money - as compensation for the embassy, and each hostage should have received $1-3M.

Instead, Obama gave them the $4M, plus interest since the 1970's. He also paid them in small denomination foreign currency - which is a clear violation of numerous laws.

Never forget the Iranian hostage-taking either, nor Obama's criminal idiocy.

I agree with you about Saudi and UAE. We don't, however, need their oil - we have plenty of our own, except the environmental lobby has stupidly blocked its drilling.
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1. It was actually their money that we returned
2. You do know the hijackers were Saudi and Emirati correct?
3. Our "partners" in Saudi Arabia and the UAE are the #1 exporters of terrorism in the world, not Iran. But because they have a lot of clout from their oil reserves, we tolerate them.




I agree all history becomes a distant memory and ultimately forgotten. Should we expect everyone to commemorate one specific terrible event for the rest of our lives?
No.

It becomes history, a part of us like the stories our parents told us about what they were doing and where they were when they heard Kennedy died.

As long as we live, we are a part of the living history and 9/11 makes us remember details. I remember how awful i smelled when i heard the news for example.

In a hundred years people will wonder why we made a big deal about this, just like my generation wonders wtf did the nazis think would happen.

Right now this is living history at it's best. Right now is the time to think what led to us to this path, and how to move forward. How will our kids see our actions?
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It was $400m of their money that we froze in our banks, in the late 1970's. They held (and abused) 150 Americans for 1.5 years, and trashed/confiscated our embassy. For that, I would consider the $400M our money - as compensation for the embassy, and each hostage should have received $1-3M.

Instead, Obama gave them the $4M, plus interest since the 1970's. He also paid them in small denomination foreign currency - which is a clear violation of numerous laws.

Never forget the Iranian hostage-taking either, nor Obama's criminal idiocy.

I agree with you about Saudi and UAE. We don't, however, need their oil - we have plenty of our own, except the environmental lobby has stupidly blocked its drilling.
If that's the case then how much would we owe them for overthrowing their government? The US has and continues to do some very illegal things and there is never an excuse for it regardless of leadership. But to steal that money would do us no good. We can go on all day about this, but the fact is it was their money and used as leverage for the nuclear deal. Something that is actually good

We only receive a fraction of our oil supply but their ability to drastically affect the price of oil is their source of power. The US will be fine with their cuts in oil, but our European allies won't.

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No.

Right now this is living history at it's best. Right now is the time to think what led to us to this path, and how to move forward. How will our kids see our actions?
Hopefully by the time my generation starts trickling into higher leadership positions, hopefully not hypocrites and morons. But I'm sure we will be. Humans are too irrational

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