Firearms

[GB-335xiCoupe]

Originally Posted by CigarPundit

Almost all my draw training has been with a 1911, admittedly, though I have done some with the Glock 17 out of a Kydex, but not out of a carry holster.

I’ve never had an AD in my life (knocks on head), and all my training has obviously included finger off the trigger. Like I said, I love Glocks, I own Glocks, and I agree that they are super reliable. Great guns. Definitely not hating on Glocks.

All in all I prefer the American Draw to the Israeli Draw, and I do keep my finger out of the trigger guard, but...

Interesting conversation you guys have been having. I just read the last page or so of this thread.

The whole controversy of carrying one in the pipe, condition 1 condition 2, etc... can be an endless debate. I feel like most of you do, that the number one safety is your brain. Regardless of the firearm, condition, situation etc.


I've been shooting guns since I was 7, and I'm 47 now. Never had an AD either. But it could certainly happen.

One side that people usually don't think of as far as having a chambered round: Someone else grabbing your gun.

If you are in a situation (obviously unpredictable) such as a robbery in a bank or restaurant, even a carjacking... The bad guys might be looking for CCW people carrying guns within the restaurant, bank, car. Yes, you can lay low, waiting for the right moment to make your move, you could wait for the right moment to NOT make a move, etc.

But if the BG is actively looking for someone carrying a gun and grabs yours - what is he going to do with it? Is he going to try to shoot you with it? Is it going to go click or bang? You know the condition your gun is in. He doesn't. That is to your advantage.

If you know that your gun does NOT have a round in chamber, that gives you a second to react to the thug who is assuming he has a ready-to-fire gun. If you know it DOES have a round in chamber, are you ready and strong enough to wrestle it from him?

Which kind of condition do you want your gun to be in if someone else grabs it? Again, just something to think about.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by GB-335xiCoupe

Interesting conversation you guys have been having. I just read the last page or so of this thread.

The whole controversy of carrying one in the pipe, condition 1 condition 2, etc... can be an endless debate. I feel like most of you do, that the number one safety is your brain. Regardless of the firearm, condition, situation etc.


I've been shooting guns since I was 7, and I'm 47 now. Never had an AD either. But it could certainly happen.

One side that people usually don't think of as far as having a chambered round: Someone else grabbing your gun.

If you are in a situation (obviously unpredictable) such as a robbery in a bank or restaurant, even a carjacking... The bad guys might be looking for CCW people carrying guns within the restaurant, bank, car. Yes, you can lay low, waiting for the right moment to make your move, you could wait for the right moment to NOT make a move, etc.

But if the BG is actively looking for someone carrying a gun and grabs yours - what is he going to do with it? Is he going to try to shoot you with it? Is it going to go click or bang? You know the condition your gun is in. He doesn't. That is to your advantage.

If you know that your gun does NOT have a round in chamber, that gives you a second to react to the thug who is assuming he has a ready-to-fire gun. If you know it DOES have a round in chamber, are you ready and strong enough to wrestle it from him?

Which kind of condition do you want your gun to be in if someone else grabs it? Again, just something to think about.

Again, this comes down to practice and training. Gun retention is a thing. I've had two gun grabs done on me. This is a fight for your life, still always would keep one in the chamber. If you're losing the battle then give them the gun, one piece at a time and at about 1100 FPS. Seriously there is no right answer. And the point you raise is a valid one. If you're carrying a gun with an external safety do they know how to work it? Also, if you're carrying CCW, how do they know you're carrying? I think in the situation you're describing you are actually hoping for the element of surprise.

[glennQNYC]

First, great post GB-335xiCoupe.

This discussion on condition is relevant to something I recently noticed in a local Metro-NY nightly news show. They played a CCTV video of some guys robbing a jewelry store in Manhattan. The one perpetrator pulls out his pistol and racks it. I thought it was really odd that a guy pulling a gun in a jewelry store robbery wouldn't have kept one in the chamber. 🤷🏻*♂️

[GB-335xiCoupe]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

First, great post GB-335xiCoupe.

This discussion on condition is relevant to something I recently noticed in a local Metro-NY nightly news show. They played a CCTV video of some guys robbing a jewelry store in Manhattan. The one perpetrator pulls out his pistol and racks it. I thought it was really odd that a guy pulling a gun in a jewelry store robbery wouldn't have kept one in the chamber. 🤷🏻*♂️

He probably learned it on an episode of Dumb Criminals. LOL

[skydiver]

Noveske 8.5" 300 BLK I picked up as a pistol, but now it's an SBR. I've since moved the sight back a couple of slots though.

[billnchristy]

Cute rifle.
Here’s my pistol

[Grumpy Old Man]

I can't wait to get them to the range. Ruger PC 9 (the PC stands for Politically Correct) on top and a Mini 14. Not too scary looking because I can see scary guns becoming a problem in the not to distant future here in the Great White North.

[KenB925]

I’m very interested in the pc9, I almost bought one when the my came out.

Now I’m torn between the pc9 and the CZ Scorpion

i want a 9mm carbine

[Dave 90TT]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

I can't wait to get them to the range. Ruger PC 9 (the PC stands for Politically Correct) on top and a Mini 14. Not too scary looking because I can see scary guns becoming a problem in the not to distant future here in the Great White North.

Top one is scary. I'm scart!

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by KenB925

I’m very interested in the pc9, I almost bought one when the my came out.

Now I’m torn between the pc9 and the CZ Scorpion

i want a 9mm carbine

Lots of reviews out there and some good comparison articles and videos. If you're partial to the AR style platform then there is also the JR Carbine.

Ruger has announced 6 new models of the PC, now available in .40 Calibre.

The PC 9 fits the bill for me because I have a Glock pistol and like the interchangeability of mags.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...er-pc-carbine/

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/04/rug...#axzz5yx8eSJJG

[FCobra94]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

Not too scary looking because I can see scary guns becoming a problem in the not to distant future here in the Great White North.

As well you should be...they recently took down a guy who concealed an "assault rifle-pistol" here in MD:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...1.html%3famp=y

Could you imagine how much damage a gun that scary looking could do? Only the military should possess such powerz.

[AlpineWhite_SJ]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

I can't wait to get them to the range. Ruger PC 9 (the PC stands for Politically Correct) on top and a Mini 14. Not too scary looking because I can see scary guns becoming a problem in the not to distant future here in the Great White North.

Interesting. I had been considering a mini 14 but the PC 9 compatibility with my glock mags and ammo would be convenient

[chowser51]

Originally Posted by FCobra94

Could you imagine how much damage a gun that scary looking could do? Only the military should possess such powerz.

Oooh, he's got the .22LR HK416 "pistol" clone.

I've been looking at getting the rifle version for my son to do some plinking.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by AlpineWhite_SJ

Interesting. I had been considering a mini 14 but the PC 9 compatibility with my glock mags and ammo would be convenient

the only problem is it would be a complete ammo disposal machine!

[glennQNYC]

Wouldn't we prefer a PCC in 45ACP?

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Wouldn't we prefer a PCC in 45ACP?

Not available in Canada yet, but then I'd have to get a Glock chamber in .45.....oh, wait what could possibly go wrong? My wife says no more guns for a while though.

[FCobra94]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Wouldn't we prefer a PCC in 45ACP?

The beauty of this hobby is that you literately just convinced yourself to buy both!

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

Not available in Canada yet, but then I'd have to get a Glock chamber in .45.....oh, wait what could possibly go wrong? My wife says no more guns for a while though.

You do know she’s buying new shoes and bags all the time and laughing telling her friends my husband has no idea, they all look the same to him. Just saying.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Wouldn't we prefer a PCC in 45ACP?

I like my PCC’s in .30 carbine but I certainly would love a classic Ruger .44 mag Deerslayer.

[adc100]

Originally Posted by paliknight

I thought that applied to all handguns except for the P320!


Not trying to insult you or anything. I just meant if a handgun is being concealed or carried, a proper holster with a trigger guard should always be used; even in the pocket (pocket holster) regardless if it's striker or hammer fired.

This. Never depend on a safety. Having a safety gives some confidence that the firearm is somehow safer when its "on" News flash-its not

[adc100]

Originally Posted by GB-335xiCoupe

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I've been shooting guns since I was 7, and I'm 47 now. Never had an AD either. But it could certainly happen.

One side that people usually don't think of as far as having a chambered round: Someone else grabbing your gun.

The correct and this may sound trite.-No one grabs your gun while you are alive. Its as simple as that. There are training techniques to this as I know grumpy knows.

I wish I could say I never had an AD. But I have. I would guess most people that shoot 10's of thousands of rounds do. Once you have one you will never have an other one.

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

Again, this comes down to practice and training. Gun retention is a thing. I've had two gun grabs done on me. This is a fight for your life, still always would keep one in the chamber. If you're losing the battle then give them the gun, one piece at a time and at about 1100 FPS. Seriously there is no right answer. And the point you raise is a valid one. If you're carrying a gun with an external safety do they know how to work it? Also, if you're carrying CCW, how do they know you're carrying? I think in the situation you're describing you are actually hoping for the element of surprise.

Its obvious YOU have had training. Are you an instructor-I would guess you are. I hope some on the board learn from you.

I buy my ammo for the last 5 years at targetsportsusa.com. Free shipping, no tax and $2.80 for insurance.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by adc100

The correct and this may sound trite.-No one grabs your gun while you are alive. Its as simple as that. There are training techniques to this as I know grumpy knows.

I wish I could say I never had an AD. But I have. I would guess most people that shoot 10's of thousands of rounds do. Once you have one you will never have an other one.

Its obvious YOU have had training. Are you an instructor-I would guess you are. I hope some on the board learn from you.

I buy my ammo for the last 5 years at targetsportsusa.com. Free shipping, no tax and $2.80 for insurance.

If no one has an ND then that'd mean you're perfect. Even the special forces and seals I work with have had NDs. But since they were practicing the most important principle, always point in a safe direction, no harm no foul.

I think grumpy is a retired LEO.