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      05-09-2019, 08:00 AM   #45
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I believe actual history. You may believe what you wish.

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The Declaration of Independence
Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776 The Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Natureís God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
Is it really Christianity though? Seems more generally spiritual than that. No mention of Jesus in the constitution?
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Is it really Christianity though? Seems more generally spiritual than that. No mention of Jesus in the constitution?
Plus a few of the FFs are pretty solidly established as Deists, not Christians.
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Is it really Christianity though? Seems more generally spiritual than that. No mention of Jesus in the constitution?
This is truly grasping at straws to form a narrative.

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Plus a few of the FFs are pretty solidly established as Deists, not Christians.
The vast majority were Christians.

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundin..._Religion.html
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I don't know how to fix this. It's a scary world. I do think that the root cause has to do with lack of parenting and technology. Kids these days don't learn conflict resolution. When I was a kid, we were outside playing with actual other kids from very young. It taught you conflict resolution very young and that not everyone behaved or thought the same way you did. If you had an argument, or a fight, you got punched in the face or rolled around on the ground and it was over. No more.

Now, it's texts and games and no one knows how to deal with real people. We also grew up knowing our actions had consequences. That no longer seems to be the case. I look at the frequency of hit and run accidents. How do you hit someone and just leave them there to die? Stop and deal with the consequences. People shooting cops over simple traffic stops. WTF?

I don't know how to get this horse back in the barn. But it clearly starts at home with the parents at a very young age. Until kids are brought up with respect and fear, this will continue.

And it's not just kids. Society as a whole sucks.
YES.

I work with school systems and it is scary some of the stories teachers have told me. It is mostly parent driven, but teachers are not allowed to put kids on the spot or challenge them because they will feel singled out. This means that kids are never exposed to feeling insecure or figuring out how to deal with complex situations. When they finally are, they don't know how to deal with it and snap.
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https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019...chool-shooting

Pretty amazing how the news cycle just seemed to walk right on by this school shooting. Wonder why?
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https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019...chool-shooting

Pretty amazing how the news cycle just seemed to walk right on by this school shooting. Wonder why?
1. Shooting was done with handgun and not an "assult rifle."
2. Cannot blame this on Trump or conservatives.
3. Cannot use this to build further resentment towards whites and or Christians.
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      05-09-2019, 12:02 PM   #51
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I believe actual history. You may believe what you wish.

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The Declaration of Independence
Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776 The Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Natureís God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

I'm pretty sure those two terms are used by multiple religions.
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https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019...chool-shooting

Pretty amazing how the news cycle just seemed to walk right on by this school shooting. Wonder why?

You are in Colorado correct? It has obviously been all over local news, and there have been several articles about it on USA Today and other news networks. The coverage may not be as extensive as previous shootings, but it has definitely been covered.
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I'm pretty sure those two terms are used by multiple religions.
Indeed. Pls see my post in response, above.
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1. Shooting was done with handgun and not an "assult rifle."
2. Cannot blame this on Trump or conservatives.
3. Cannot use this to build further resentment towards whites and or Christians.
#1 - agreed.

#2 thru infinity - "only" one kid died, so it's not a big enough tragedy.
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...The vast majority were Christians.

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundin..._Religion.html
Yes, I'm aware. That's why I deliberately said "a few".
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You are in Colorado correct? It has obviously been all over local news, and there have been several articles about it on USA Today and other news networks. The coverage may not be as extensive as previous shootings, but it has definitely been covered.
Yup, right outside of Boulder. The big MSM websites overall have been very quiet, I couldn't find an article without searching. Just interesting how when the story doesn't further the progressive political agenda, the story dies pretty quick.

But also, these are becoming so commonplace maybe it's not even newsworthy since the casualties aren't high. As sad as that is.
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Yup, right outside of Boulder. The big MSM websites overall have been very quiet, I couldn't find an article without searching. Just interesting how when the story doesn't further the progressive political agenda, the story dies pretty quick.

But also, these are becoming so commonplace maybe it's not even newsworthy since the casualties aren't high. As sad as that is.
I've seen it all over the TV news. CNN and Fox alike.
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I've seen it all over the TV news. CNN and Fox alike.
Ok, then I stand corrected.
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#1 - agreed.

#2 thru infinity - "only" one kid died, so it's not a big enough tragedy.
I agree and technically it does not count as a mass shooting if its not 3 or more people
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So you're going to cherry-pick 5 verses in the New Testament (taken out of context, of course) to support your position, out of nearly 8,000 verses in the New Testament that talk about love (including loving your enemy), forebearance, and forgiveness? You really think Jesus's Gospel included self-defense through violence?
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So you're going to cherry-pick 5 verses in the New Testament (taken out of context, of course) to support your position, out of nearly 8,000 verses in the New Testament that talk about love (including loving your enemy), forebearance, and forgiveness? You really think Jesus's Gospel included self-defense through violence?
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Yup, thought that was a step in the right direction.

Big fail for those that brought it up...
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God Bless Kendrick. The young man was a brave one who tried to protect the lives of his mates. RIP
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God Bless Kendrick. The young man was a brave one who tried to protect the lives of his mates. RIP
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I really think things like this happen because kids don’t have those fist fights or scuffles anymore. Kids are raised to avoid conflict and back down to opposition and they just bottle things up until they snap.

When I was in school we’d get in a fist fight, somebody won and that was that
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