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      01-24-2019, 09:37 AM   #1
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Venezuela

How quickly US supported the new "democratic" president.
Nothing reminds you? Arab spring? Muammar Gaddafi? Ukraine? )))

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/24/a...ido/index.html
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How quickly US supported the new "democratic" president.
Nothing reminds you? Arab spring? Muammar Gaddafi? Ukraine? )))

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/24/a...ido/index.html
Meh - we shall see. I personally don't agree with the USA meddling, and it didn't turn out well for us in the other Arab countries. Sometimes, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. But.....

Venezuela is a complete shit show and the entire country is about to collapse, so something likely has to be done. This is slightly different than the countries you mentioned, in that with respect to the Arab spring, we essentially promoted the overthrow of despots with no end game. Here - we are saying that the last election was a sham, and that there is another legitimate president of the country. This is a notable difference.

On a side note, we are not the first country to announce this - the following countries have already stated they don't feel Maduro is the rightful president, and that it is really Guaido:

Brazil
Argentina
Chile
Canada
Peru
Colombia
Paraguay
Ecuador
Guatemala
Costa Rica
Honduras
Panama
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Will the Russians not be able to fly their B-1a.....errrrr, TU-160 back to Venezuela anymore?
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      01-24-2019, 10:02 AM   #4
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they don't feel Maduro is the rightful president
Those. Now, according to democratic principles, the “rightful” president of a country or “illegal” defines the world community by simple voting? )) great that
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Those. Now, according to democratic principles, the “rightful” president of a country or “illegal” defines the world community by simple voting? )) great that
I believe that is the general complaint. That the voting in the last election was fraudulent and that the person who received the most votes wasn't declared the winner.

There is much talk about the fact that Maduro received hundreds of thousands of illegitimate votes. Kind of like elections in some African countries, or in the DPRK - where the winner receives 100% or even 105% of the vote tallies. Seems that might be a bit suspect, no?
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I believe that is the general complaint. That the voting in the last election was fraudulent and that the person who received the most votes wasn't declared the winner.

There is much talk about the fact that Maduro received hundreds of thousands of illegitimate votes. Kind of like elections in some African countries, or in the DPRK - where the winner receives 100% or even 105% of the vote tallies. Seems that might be a bit suspect, no?
Also kind of like Russia, where the opposition is given no air time, and the govt. candidate is given so much positive coverage.
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Also kind of like Russia, where the opposition is given no air time, and the govt. candidate is given so much positive coverage.
The MSM and Hillary!

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The MSM and Hillary!

Ta-da
Trump had more air time than Hillary
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Venezuela is a complete shit show and the entire country is about to collapse, so something likely has to be done.
WHY the USA?
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Trump had more air time than Hillary

Ta da?!?
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Trump had more air time than Hillary
Positive?

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Trump had more air time than Hillary
Positive?

Voilà
No such thing as negative media coverage. It's all media coverage.

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Ehhnnnnt. Fake news.
Trump coverage was deemed 89% negative by the MSM.
Harvard or NPR, iirc.

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Kind of like elections in some African countries, or in the DPRK - where the winner receives 100% or even 105% of the vote tallies. Seems that might be a bit suspect, no?
Yes, of course, some election results may seem strange. But this is a private, sovereign affair of some African countries, or DPRK etc. Why again (already again) one country teaches to another country- how to live right?
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Positive?

Voilà
Exactly. The more negative press he got the more power he got leading to his annihilating billary and the left. Lol

He's getting even more negative press now then before and most of it is proven false, a hurricane of BS. This will lead to his reelection.
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One person's negative coverage is another person's positive coverage.

It's all the same

See even N54Yankee gets it
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Exactly. The more negative press he got the more power he got leading to his annihilating billary and the left. Lol

He's getting even more negative press now then before and most of it is proven false, a hurricane of BS. This will lead to his reelection.
HUH?
Your talking like Maduro talks, about being so popular, and all their problems are somebody else's fault(the imperialist gringos).
Annihiliating Hillary (Billary)? Where do you get that from??????
How where they annihilated? By winning the popular vote?
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All i know and it's been proven, this country makes problems all over the world. Just so it can keep itself alive a bit longer. Maybe they should have selected a illegal president in France also?
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All i know and it's been proven, this country makes problems all over the world. Just so it can keep itself alive a bit longer. Maybe they should have selected a illegal president in France also?
More thoughtful thoughts.....about how ROMA hates the USA........
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All i know and it's been proven, this country makes problems all over the world. Just so it can keep itself alive a bit longer. Maybe they should have selected a illegal president in France also?
"Just so it can keep itself alive a bit longer."

fortunately, i was able to show uncharacteristic self control and withhold comment on this member's post so that i had enough time (maybe 30 seconds) to realize that the treatment his post deserves would be likely to get me banned for life on BP.
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Well - I'm not condoning an invasion, Wede - lol!

To refuse to acknowledge a sham president, which many other countries have also done, is worth doing. I see nothing wrong with that. I do think we should probably not go in there with any 'regime change' plans though.
Agreed. My preferred method would be to sign on to a resolution proffered by the UN.
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Agreed. My preferred method would be to sign on to a resolution proffered by the UN.
My preferred method would be to do literally anything, including doing nothing, before ever signing anything proffered by the absolute worthless scumbags that are the UN.

But you and I might have different opinions.

I have seen firsthand the devastation that is done under the umbrella of that piece of garbage 'world agency'. Why were Bosnian Serb death squads able, unfettered, to murder more than 8,000 men and boys in a few days, under the noses of United Nations troops legally bound to protect the victims? Who delivered the UN-declared “safe area” of Srebrenica to the death squads, and why?
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