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      10-22-2019, 09:59 AM   #8097
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No - not you particularly. But there is a general understanding that those on the far left will consistently call anyone 'racist' or anything 'racist' under the guise of trying to curtail speech that isn't aligned with their goals and world views.
This is one of the few appeals of Trump. He will not sit around and worry about using a word that is only racist by those who race bait. It's a valid literary device in this case, whether you want him impeached or not.

Remember the Lynch Elementary School name fiasco a couple of years ago. This word game bs has gotten comical.
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The movie PCU was well ahead of its time, it seems.
I forgot about that movie - it was a great one. Jeremy Piven was awesome.
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So....our troops in Syria are NOT coming home, they may guard oil fields. Or go to Iraq.

Fail.......

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp
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This would explain a lot.................

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
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Saying something is a "lynching" is racist?
Yes saying that something is a lynching can be construed as racist. This is because it show a lack of understanding of what that word means. Lyching was a common tactic by the KKK and other racist organizations to suppress African Americans during the reconstruction era. The practice kept going into the 20th century.

If you would like to explain how it's not racist, feel free.

Holding the president accountable to laws and the constitution is not the same as killing someone by hanging them from their neck until dead.
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      10-22-2019, 11:55 AM   #8102
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This is one of the few appeals of Trump. He will not sit around and worry about using a word that is only racist by those who race bait. It's a valid literary device in this case, whether you want him impeached or not.

Remember the Lynch Elementary School name fiasco a couple of years ago. This word game bs has gotten comical.
It's a valid literary device that can reasonably be argued to marginalize the horror of actual lynchings, as well.

The point wasn't surprise that Trump said it with no apparent forethought or that others would use it as a weapon against him. The point was that it was yet another dumb thing that Trump stepped in when he didn't need to.

I voted for him. I've been as big a critic of his since he took office as anyone else. I would still like to see him get better at his job in whatever time he occupies it. This is unarguably not "better".
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Yes saying that something is a lynching can be construed as racist. This is because it show a lack of understanding of what that word means. Lyching was a common tactic by the KKK and other racist organizations to suppress African Americans during the reconstruction era. The practice kept going into the 20th century.

If you would like to explain how it's not racist, feel free.

Holding the president accountable to laws and the constitution is not the same as killing someone by hanging them from their neck until dead.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/lynching

Lynching, a form of violence in which a mob, under the pretext of administering justice without trial, executes a presumed offender, often after inflicting torture and corporal mutilation. The term lynch law refers to a self-constituted court that imposes sentence on a person without due process of law. Both terms are derived from the name of Charles Lynch (1736–96), a Virginia planter and justice of the peace who, during the American Revolution, headed an irregular court formed to punish loyalists.

Statistics of reported lynching in the United States indicate that, between 1882 and 1951, 4,730 persons were lynched, of whom 1,293 were white and 3,437 were black. Lynching continued to be associated with U.S. racial unrest during the 1950s and ’60s, when civil rights workers and advocates were threatened and in some cases killed by mobs.
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It's a valid literary device that can reasonably be argued to marginalize the horror of actual lynchings, as well.

The point wasn't surprise that Trump said it with no apparent forethought or that others would use it as a weapon against him. The point was that it was yet another dumb thing that Trump stepped in when he didn't need to.

I voted for him. I've been as big a critic of his since he took office as anyone else. I would still like to see him get better at his job in whatever time he occupies it. This is unarguably not "better".
Yea you could reasonably argue the use of the word marginalizes real lynchings. I guess if I say let's kill some project or idea I'm marginalising real murder.

I've wished he'd become more Obama-like (you know calming - the nation's opiate) But not going to happen.

If he didn't create a storm with one thing, there is the next thing. "We've" become such a f'ing mess that I don't care anymore.
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Yea you could reasonably argue the use of the word marginalizes real lynchings. I guess if I say let's kill some project or idea I'm marginalising real murder.
The Holocaust example I gave was much more appropriate. "Killing" a project, or "going to war" over a contentious issue is in a whole different category, I think we can all agree.


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I've wished he'd become more Obama-like (you know calming - the nation's opiate) But not going to happen.

If he didn't create a storm with one thing, there is the next thing. "We've" become such a f'ing mess that I don't care anymore.
I'm rapidly approaching the "I don't care" stage, as well. To think it's not even campaign season, yet.
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/lynching

Lynching, a form of violence in which a mob, under the pretext of administering justice without trial, executes a presumed offender, often after inflicting torture and corporal mutilation. The term lynch law refers to a self-constituted court that imposes sentence on a person without due process of law. Both terms are derived from the name of Charles Lynch (1736–96), a Virginia planter and justice of the peace who, during the American Revolution, headed an irregular court formed to punish loyalists.

Statistics of reported lynching in the United States indicate that, between 1882 and 1951, 4,730 persons were lynched, of whom 1,293 were white and 3,437 were black. Lynching continued to be associated with U.S. racial unrest during the 1950s and ’60s, when civil rights workers and advocates were threatened and in some cases killed by mobs.
I see your Brittanica citation and raise you a Wikipedia citation:

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From the 1890s onwards, the majority of those lynched were black,[23] including at least 159 women.[24] Between 1882 and 1968, the Tuskegee Institute recorded 1,297 lynchings of whites and 3,446 lynchings of blacks.[14][25] However, lynchings of members of other ethnic groups, such as Mexicans and Chinese, were undercounted in the Tuskegee Institute's records.[26] One of the largest mass lynchings in American history occurred in 1891, when a mob lynched eleven Italian immigrants in New Orleans, Louisiana, following their acquittal on charges that they had killed the local police chief.[27] The largest lynching was the Chinese massacre of 1871.

Mob violence arose as a means of enforcing white supremacy and it frequently verged on systematic political terrorism. "The Ku Klux Klan, paramilitary groups, and other whites united by frustration and anger ruthlessly defended the interests of white supremacy. The magnitude of the extralegal violence which occurred during election campaigns reached epidemic proportions, leading the historian William Gillette to label it guerrilla warfare."[28][29][30][31][32]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

From this citation it appears lynching were used as a way to strike fear into the African American communities. Using that word now is a reflection of those times, and is evocative of our racist past, it belittles what happened before. Especially from someone as privileged as Trump.

Good thing trump has you to defend his racist actions.
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It's akin to comparing things to Nazism or the Holocaust. Unless you're talking about actual Nazis or actual government sponsored genocide, it's always a bad idea.

Like concentration camps, right?
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He used the word lynching in references to witches, not blacks. Only someone with a predisposed agenda would think otherwise. Its not racist at all.

Remember, "Witch Hunt". He's been pretty vocal about it for his entire presidency.
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He used the word lynching in references to witches, not blacks. Only someone with a predisposed agenda would think otherwise. Its not racist at all.

Remember, "Witch Hunt". He's been pretty vocal about it for his entire presidency.
Because of all the "lynched" witches?
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Because of all the "lynched" witches?
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Cant tell if sarcasm. Perhaps you should read a history book.
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Because of all the "lynched" witches?
SLWT....




Salem Lynched Witch Trials.


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Because of all the "lynched" witches?
Since I know you wont bother, heres some facts for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
https://www.history.com/news/were-wi...m-witch-trials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft_Acts
https://www.historyextra.com/period/...burned-hanged/
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SLWT....




Salem Lynched Witch Trials.


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It's not even just the Salem witches. Historically the English used hanging as a means of capital punishment for witchcraft. (Its actually the same law used to convict/condemn the salem witches)
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Cant tell if sarcasm. Perhaps you should read a history book.
Dripping with sarcasm. Perhaps you should assume I've read a history book.

Should I assume you have?
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He used the word lynching in references to witches, not blacks. Only someone with a predisposed agenda would think otherwise. Its not racist at all.

Remember, "Witch Hunt". He's been pretty vocal about it for his entire presidency.
That is one hell of a stretch.
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That is one hell of a stretch.
Why? Because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Or is it because it makes perfect sense?
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Dripping with sarcasm. Perhaps you should assume I've read a history book.

Should I assume you have?
Nice back-peddle.

It's ok to not know things, just don't walk around like you know everything.
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In my simplistic version Trump is saying "they are ganging up on me" That's how I see it. Nothing less, Nothing More.
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