Firearms

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

I get that too and full agree with that. But the last bit of insult i want added to the injury of having to shoot someone in self defense is the police confiscating my expensive 1911 and holding it as evidence until the decision to indict is made.

There is guy who works at a LGS who used his Wilson Combat 1911 in self defense where he too was shot and wounded. The WC was covered in blood and then confiscated for about 14 months. In that time it was put into a plastic bag and not opened for the duration. The WC was ruined beyond repair. Lucky for him, he recovered from his wound and his pals at the LGS pitched in and bought him SW 1911.

He now carries and uses a polymer pistol for home defense.

i have given that scenario careful consideration, i decided that if everything was going completely to shit and i need to use a gun, i want it to be one that i trust and shoot well

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by MadOzodi

T5?

NHC Predator

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by KenB925

i have given that scenario careful consideration, i decided that if everything was going completely to shit and i need to use a gun, i want it to be one that i trust and shoot well

Fair enough.

Lucky for me, i'm equally, if not more proficient with a $450 glock.

[1MOREMOD]

You can celebrate still being alive and buy another one, or don't spend 3k the first time

[MadOzodi]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

NHC Predator

D'OH, that was my first guess...I got my Falcon last fall.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Fair enough.

Lucky for me, i'm equally, if not more proficient with a $450 glock.

i shot glocks for years, i just don't want to anymore, except the 26, i still like the 26.

part of it is I just like taking my Ed Brown out of the safe and strapping it on, it's too pretty to be locked up in the safe all day every day

i don't want to drive a camry, and i don't want to carry a camry

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by jmg

Hammer cocked with safety or hammer dropped?

Cocked it the proper and safe way to carry. Never been an accidental discharge this way in 11y years. Hammer down with round in chamber could cause an accidental discharge.

[Dang3r]

Never carried a pistol a cocked hammer and a round into the chamber, no matter what kind of safe system.

[Axius]

Condition zero for the SW (safety-less version).

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by KenB925

i shot glocks for years, i just don't want to anymore, except the 26, i still like the 26.

part of it is I just like taking my Ed Brown out of the safe and strapping it on, it's too pretty to be locked up in the safe all day every day

i don't want to drive a camry, and i don't want to carry a camry

I'm still amazed that you have a CC permit in SF. lol

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

I'm still amazed that you have a CC permit in SF. lol

well, I don't have THE permit approved in SF, my permit is from a much more gun friendly county.

[Fundguy1]

Bellows a list of the different 1911 conditions. Accidental discharges have ONLY been reported in condition 2. If you prefer condition 3 thats your prerogative. But if I'm carrying, I'm not taking the extra second to rack. All my guns are condition 1 when I carry. The 1911 gets a bad rap because the viable back hammer gives people the willies who don't know. But the double safety and locked seat make it as safe if not safer than other pistols. "When the gun is cocked and locked, the sear is blocked from releasing the hammer. Further, unless a firing grip is on the pistol, thumb safety swept off, and the trigger is pulled, the gun will not go off. ... The 1911 has two manual safeties."


These were originated by Col. Jeff Cooper. OBTW, these terms are also applicable to most other semi-auto pistols with exposed hammers:

Condition 0 – Ready to fire: The pistol has cartridges in the magazine, a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the safety is off.
Condition 1 – The pistol has cartridges in the magazine, a cartridge is chambered, the hammer is cocked, and the safety is in the up (safe) position. Also known as the “cocked and locked” carry condition.
Condition 2 – A cartridge is in the chamber, the hammer is down, and the pistol has cartridges in the magazine.
Condition 3 – The chamber is empty and hammer is down, but the pistol has a full magazine. This condition is also known as “Israeli Carry.”
Condition 4 – The chamber is empty, hammer is down and no magazine is in the pistol.

My comments:

Condition 1 is recommended for concealed carry.

Condition 2 presents potential safety hazards and is not recommend for either carry or for storage.

Condition 3 could possibly be warranted for open carry in some localities where unknowledgeable people might be agitated if they see you carrying a “cocked” pistol in a hip holster. But be advised that Israeli-style carry requires two hands and more time to get the pistol into Condition 0. (Ready to fire.) The need for two hands could be a problem if you are holding something in one hand, injured, or engaged hand-to-hand.

Condition 4 is how I store our pistols in our gun vault.

It is noteworthy that by SOP, any firearm that comes out of our vault is immediately loaded. Everyone in the family assumes that any gun seen here at the ranch anywhere outside of the vault is loaded at all times, and it is treated as such. Avoiding ambiguity helps reduce the chance of accidents.

Further readiing
https://www.usacarry.com/cocked-locked-carry-unsafe/

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Dang3r

Never carried a pistol a cocked hammer and a round into the chamber, no matter what kind of safe system.

See above. Cocked and locked is safer than regular non 1911.

[///Mongo]

I always carry Condition 1

[Dang3r]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

See above. Cocked and locked is safer than regular non 1911.

Ok, maybe valid for 1911 but not for SIG225 and 229.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Dang3r

Ok, maybe valid for 1911 but not for SIG225 and 229.

Yes. You are correct. I carry my sig p229 condition 2. Totally different design. That's the proper way for that gun.

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Cocked it the proper and safe way to carry. Never been an accidental discharge this way in 11y years. Hammer down with round in chamber could cause an accidental discharge.

That being said how would you suggest I carry this 9 mm 1911 style pocket pistol? No grip safety. Currently caring it with hammer down and one in the chamber

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

That being said how would you suggest I carry this 9 mm 1911 style pocket pistol? No grip safety. Currently caring it with hammer down and one in the chamber

Hmm, not sure. Hammer down means a weird drop might set it off. Extremely rare. Hammer up and safety its only one safety. I'd probably go that route because a drop won't set it off. But I'd follow the makers recommendations first.

[Fundguy1]

http://sigtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8558

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

http://sigtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8558

Ugh, I read that till my eyes bled. Consensus was don't carry with hammer down on a live round. Coincidentally this gun has a half cock option which did not fire the gun when I tried it

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Ugh, I read that till my eyes bled. Consensus was don't carry with hammer down on a live round.

That's what I'd do. Not my call.

[Dang3r]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Ugh, I read that till my eyes bled. Consensus was don't carry with hammer down on a live round. Coincidentally this gun has a half cock option which did not fire the gun when I tried it

My 225 has the option to "click" the hammer one notch back manually and the plunger before the loaded chamber stays released. This condition remains until you cock the hammer fully or fire a shot stead after pulling the pistol outta the holster. The 229 hasnt this option and for absolutely safety I carry both weapons w/o any bullets into the chambers to avoid to mix it inadvertently.