F1 2024: Dutch GP - Zandvoort (Aug 25)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Checo will run at Zandvoort with the RB20 without the upgrades like in the beginning of this season.
But , I'm pretty sure . Checo will fail again .

I think we'll see only the McLarens and Mercedes at the Zandvoort podium.
The RB20 really s@cks at this moment .
If MAX runs a top-3 , then is it by the MAX-Factor.
It is what it is ....

If MAX barges to the front at the start with just the minimal upgrades then he has a good chance with a quickly reconfigured strat on one of the tracks not far from where he was born

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Probably for his own safety with less chance of him crashing, got to say you paint a pretty grim picture for MAX but Marko did say an improvement may come at Monza.

Yeah , I know my friend . But as we know , if a car like the RB20 gets a big upgrade package and that package turns out to be a downgrade the team must start allover again from level zero...
And that's always very bad news (!)

I heard from the RB20 Monza upgrade , but It's not sure (yet)! if this will work like it should be...
The RB20 has a structural design flaw since race 1 in this season , followed by the whole setup mess .
Mercedes and McLaren improved a lot and at this moment the RB20 is the 3rd fastest car at the track .
So , realistically speaking it won't be easy for MAX to win a race.
Not with this RB20 at this moment...

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah , I know my friend . But as we know , if a car like the RB20 gets a big upgrade package and that package turns out to be a downgrade the team must start allover again from level zero...
And that's always very bad news (!)

I heard from the RB20 Monza upgrade , but It's not (yet)! if this will work like it should be...
The RB20 has a structural design flaw from race 1 in this season , followed by the whole setup mess .
Mercedes and McLaren improved a lot and at this moment the RB20 is the 3rd fastest car at the track .
So , realistically speaking it won't be easy for MAX to win a race.
Not with this RB20 at this moment...

I think you guys are reading too much into the last race where Max had a 10 grid spot penalty. I'd still bet on Max to win the Dutch GP. If MB can get their POS sorted I'm sure RB can too.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I think you guys are reading too much into the last race where Max had a 10 grid spot penalty. I'd still bet on Max to win the Dutch GP. If MB can get their POS sorted I'm sure RB can too.

We'll see it soon enough my friend ...

Zandvoort gets 60 kph wind speeds , as we know the RB20 hates strong winds.
You can bet on MAX , But I wouldn't do it ...
Not with the RB20 from this moment.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

We'll see it soon enough my friend ...

Zandvoort gets 60 kph wind speeds , as we know the RB20 hates strong winds.
You can bet on MAX , But I wouldn't do it ...
Not with the RB20 from this moment.

Well, I certainly won't bet on Ferrari. But McLaren has #McLarenThings and MB has gotten a bit lucky lately. As you say, we will soon see...Simply glad race week is back

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Well, I certainly won't bet on Ferrari. But McLaren has #McLarenThings and MB has gotten a bit lucky lately. As you say, we will soon see...Simply glad race week is back

Yeah me too . But I really hope to see Charlie at the Zandvoort podium

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah , I know my friend . But as we know , if a car like the RB20 gets a big upgrade package and that package turns out to be a downgrade the team must start allover again from level zero...
And that's always very bad news (!)

I heard from the RB20 Monza upgrade , but It's not sure (yet)! if this will work like it should be...
The RB20 has a structural design flaw since race 1 in this season , followed by the whole setup mess .
Mercedes and McLaren improved a lot and at this moment the RB20 is the 3rd fastest car at the track .
So , realistically speaking it won't be easy for MAX to win a race.
Not with this RB20 at this moment...

I'd like to know what Newey was actually referring to when he said ''There's something I don't like on the RB20'' Was he referring to the basic car or the upgrades that were being put on it.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'd like to know what Newey was actually referring to when he said ''There's something I don't like on the RB20'' Was he referring to the basic car or the upgrades that were being put on it.

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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

#11

[Killed by Death]

Common sense green stuff ok with me

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[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'd like to know what Newey was actually referring to when he said ''There's something I don't like on the RB20'' Was he referring to the basic car or the upgrades that were being put on it.

The RB20 basic car , and the setup mess from race 1 .

The RB20 is too stiff and the front suspension really s@cks , the car can not run over curbs . It just jumps over the curbs , this means a loss of traction , grip and speed coming out of the turn .

They can't fix that in this season . Too bad (!)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'd like to know what Newey was actually referring to when he said ''There's something I don't like on the RB20'' Was he referring to the basic car or the upgrades that were being put on it.

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The RB20 basic car , and the setup mess from race 1 .

The RB20 is too stiff and the front suspension really s@cks , the car can not run over curbs . It just jumps over the curbs , this means a loss of traction , grip and speed coming out of the turn .

They can't fix that in this season . Too bad (!)

EDIT : Don't get me wrong my friend ...
As a 1000(!)% MAX fan I would love that MAX wins at Zandvoort.
Honestly I would really surprised if MAX wins , because I just know that McLaren and Mercedes has the faster cars ...

But we always can hope to see the MAX-Factor

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The RB20 basic car , and the setup mess from race 1 .

The RB20 is too stiff and the front suspension really s@cks , the car can not run over curbs . It just jumps over the curbs , this means a loss of traction , grip and speed coming out of the turn .

They can't fix that in this season . Too bad (!)

It comes back to me now..the stiff hangers. Looks like the car was presented to Newey like that to ''do his thing''with the skewed chassis and AN said it then, what have you given to me, it's wrong. I guess softer shocks wouldn't work.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

EDIT : Don't get me wrong my friend ...
As a 1000(!)% MAX fan I would love that MAX wins at Zandvoort.
Honestly I would really surprised if MAX wins , because I just know that McLaren and Mercedes has the faster cars ...

But we always can hope to see the MAX-Factor

I've been ill a bit (which is why I'm on here a lot) and nearly recovered so guess what, the rear pads on my M are still to be done but I've got it all ready with all the tools needed etc when I'm ready, wish RBR had such a simple task to perform to make that tub shift quicker.

Anyway, with ref. to the winds they are going to be quite strong here from tomorrow also going with what you were predicting for Zandvoort.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It comes back to me now..the stiff hangers. Looks like the car was presented to Newey like that to ''do his thing''with the skewed chassis and AN said it then, what have you given to me, it's wrong. I guess softer shocks wouldn't work.

I thought the same thing, can't suspension work fix it

Wild a$$ guess but maybe ground effects work too well on the RB20

Thing might get sucked to the ground so hard softer springs aren't an option

Ferrari still suffering with bouncing also

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It comes back to me now..the stiff hangers. Looks like the car was presented to Newey like that to ''do his thing''with the skewed chassis and AN said it then, what have you given to me, it's wrong. I guess softer shocks wouldn't work.

Pierre Waché said : To be competitive again , we need a complete new car...
But that's the plan for the 2025 Red Bull car (RB21)

In other words : The RB20 can be slightly improved , but not fixed in this season as it should be.

How I see it ?
I'm not pessimistic , and see the RB20 issues very realistically , but I never believe in illusions.

A top 3 at Zandvoort would be great for MAX ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I thought the same thing, can't suspension work fix it

Wild a$$ guess but maybe ground effects work too well on the RB20

Thing might get sucked to the ground so hard softer springs aren't an option

Ferrari still suffering with bouncing also

I think you may be right KbD.

[Killed by Death]

Hammy gonna lose Bono next year.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Hammy gonna lose Bono next year.

How will he survive

[Fillip]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Checo will run at Zandvoort with the RB20 without the upgrades like in the beginning of this season.
But , I'm pretty sure . Checo will fail again .

I think we'll see only the McLarens and Mercedes at the Zandvoort podium.
The RB20 really s@cks at this moment .
If MAX runs a top-3 , then is it by the MAX-Factor.
It is what it is ....

Checo can't afford to fail too often in the remainder of the season in order to keep his Red Bull seat for the next season.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Pierre Waché said : To be competitive again , we need a complete new car...
But that's the plan for the 2025 Red Bull car (RB21)

In other words : The RB20 can be slightly improved , but not fixed in this season as it should be.

How I see it ?
I'm not pessimistic , and see the RB20 issues very realistically , but I never believe in illusions.

A top 3 at Zandvoort would be great for MAX ...

I honestly don't think Mercedes is faster than RB - but I think the HAM factor puts them into play. Rus is good at Quali - but he never really wins on pure pace from what I've seen.

Will RB completely scrap the current design to start a brand new one next year? If they win Constructors, what wind tunnel time would they have to develop it?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I honestly don't think Mercedes is faster than RB - but I think the HAM factor puts them into play. Rus is good at Quali - but he never really wins on pure pace from what I've seen.

Will RB completely scrap the current design to start a brand new one next year? If they win Constructors, what wind tunnel time would they have to develop it?

RUS (actually) won SPA , but as you know he was DQF.
So , I think the W15 and RUS was outstanding and better than LEW.
RUS won SPA with just 1 (one)! pit . How RUS managed his tires was genius !
LEW's win at SPA was an (unintentional) gift from RUS...

Yes , RB will completely scrap the RB20 in 2025 . That's what RB Pierre Waché said .
See my post # 148 => https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=148
Mate . Don't be worried RB won't win the constructors because Checo will s@ck continuously (as usual)!
The 2024 constructors is for McLaren , because they have 2 (two)! good drivers and the fastest car on the track.