Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eluded

Exactly. Telsa drives over Cliff. Telsa hits parked fire truck.

There's the two burned to death when their self drive Tesla failed to take a bend and impacted on a tree north of Houston..
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rs-seat-police

[RM7]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

There's the two burned to death when their self drive Telsa failed to take a bend and impacted on a tree north of Houston..
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rs-seat-police

There are weights and devices people buy to defeat the hands-on-wheel and attentiveness requirements in Teslas. It doesn't say whether or not this was being used, but these are how people are getting them to drive with no input. They are basically defeating the safety systems.

[Murf the Surf]

Here's a great article.......70F and 30KHM is the sweet spot to actually hit the reported range of EV's. It seems that speed and cold reduces EV battery range by 50%.....all of them. The author has been an automotive journalist for decades and is also and electrical engineer.

https://driving.ca/column/motor-mout...HsL_NOlF8VGxP8

[2023G87M2]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

One of my bosses has a Tesla and he's pretty fed up by the lack of infrastructure. He has to drive a lot spontaneously so dependency on home charging doesn't always work. Tesla chargers often have lines and can add hours to his trips. He's often late and has to call into conferences while sitting in his car at a charging station.

I do think EVs suit the needs of your avg consumer really well. But for people who cannot depend on charging at home it can be very difficult and add a lot of anxiety. An EV can work for you 95% of the time, but that 5% of the time it doesn't can completely ruin your day.

Also, EVs don't yet work for enthusiasts who value sound, shifting gears, light weight etc. However even most "enthusiasts" just think 0-60 = sports car. It's just a small contingent of us who really "get" it. We see a corner and think how we can let the car rip through it whereas the avg person gets afraid of a corner and just wants to floor it from a light. Even then, with long commutes and high gas prices, even the biggest die hards will eventually give in.

I blame fast and furious and nascar for this. You have Elon fanboys who think they're "pro racers" because their plaid does 0-60 in 2 seconds or whatever. But it's an AWFUL car in corners not to mention as you said these people don't even know what a corner is and are the ones in the canyon gojng 25mph and holding everyone up. But they're "pro racers" because they can hold the wheel straight and mash thr gas and the only reason they don't torque steer themselves off a cliff (which they absolutely would do), is due to AWD and level 10 traction/stability control. Guarantee you if those systems failed even with AWD they'd mash the pedal and Immeadiately torque steer off a cliff because theyd just make the problem worse and steer IN the direction of the torque steer and or use even more throttle. And this is despite teslas assisted driving being the WORST in the business meanwhile fanboys have been lied to for 10 years about full self driving "coming this year" to raise stock prices so Elon can sell his shares for billoons while his low awareness/iq customers get nothing other than accidents when teslas self driving crashes into a wall and kills someone or themselves.

[2023G87M2]

Originally Posted by TheRussski

LOL can you back up that claim? Or just pulling rabbits out of your ass?

Tesla has 1200 lawsuits many of them major ones. Teslas evaluation is completely bs and makes no sense. It in no way is even a $20 billion company let alone near $1 TRILLION that It was.

Ford makes millions of cars and is smaller than tesla that barely sells any cars, most of them crap, and pumped up by hype, lies, and Elon fanboys who think worshipping him will make them weird awkward aspey billionaires who finally will attract a partner?

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Here's a great article.......70F and 30KHM is the sweet spot to actually hit the reported range of EV's. It seems that speed and cold reduces EV battery range by 50%.....all of them. The author has been an automotive journalist for decades and is also and electrical engineer.

https://driving.ca/column/motor-mout...HsL_NOlF8VGxP8

None of this matters.....if.......... you have adequate public charging. I keep saying it, this transition will not happen until public charging is addressed.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

None of this matters.....if.......... you have adequate public charging. I keep saying it, this transition will not happen until public charging is addressed.

I agree, and that won't happen anytime soon.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

None of this matters.....if.......... you have adequate public charging. I keep saying it, this transition will not happen until public charging is addressed.

Now forgive me for asking this, but when you say public charging, are you talking about government built, government sponsored, and possibly even “free” charging?

[Alfisti]

Not free but yes gov funded install for the most part.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Not free but yes gov funded install for the most part.

I assumed that was your position. You live in Ontario so government would have a major hand in the project. Just the environmental impact studies, NIMBY's and red tape means decades to get the job done.

[Alfisti]

I was unfortunately walking through cabbage town this weekend and it's all laneway parking, how on EARTH are they going to get a charger to all these people?

Truth s they won't and the legislation allows for PHEV's so the PHEV market will explode at some point.

[DarthBeemer]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I agree, and that won't happen anytime soon.

Charging times are currently too long and mass migration to EV will be painful without significant changes to infrastructure. The best case scenario is an Uber/Airbnb style model where anyone can install a charging port at their property/home and you pay them for a charge.

[mr2t]

Companies like Porsche are betting it all on solid state which will probably never happen.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by DarthBeemer

Charging times are currently too long and mass migration to EV will be painful without significant changes to infrastructure. The best case scenario is an Uber/Airbnb style model where anyone can install a charging port at their property/home and you pay them for a charge.

They'll charge what they like.

[DarthBeemer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

They'll charge what they like.

Agreed. I am not saying it is a good solution. But this is one of the possible near term solutions for rapid scaling of infrastructure that is actively being discussed in transportation community. If it happens, it will also have many other unintended and unforeseen consequences, such as increase in traffic in residential neighborhoods.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by DarthBeemer

Agreed. I am not saying it is a good solution. But this is one of the possible near term solutions for rapid scaling of infrastructure that is actively being discussed in transportation community. If it happens, it will also have many other unintended and unforeseen consequences, such as increase in traffic in residential neighborhoods.

Not much being talked about kids and adults not hearing the things coming then thinking it's fine to cross the road without looking, as some do.

[KRS_SN]

https://www.teslarati.com/stellantis...dards-useless/

The Stellantis CEO notes that thanks to the EU’s ban on new ICE vehicles starting in 2035, these new emissions controls may prove moot as automakers shift to 100% electric offerings. Furthermore, he argues, by putting in place these new regulations, automakers are forced to invest more money into dying ICE vehicle platforms to ensure that they meet these new requirements, all while already investing in replacing them entirely.

[M5Rick]

UK gov. must change stance on EV madness,Vauxhall Motors boss spells it out that the country is headed for a cliff edge with middle classes unable to afford EV's.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...prices-tumble/

[GoneIn4Secs]

Stradman just exposed all this EV fraud

He said for 41 minutes, paid 20$ to get and extra 60 miles on the charge

Smh, good job pocket protector geniuses with your EV revolution 😄

[2023G87M2]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Stradman just exposed all this EV fraud

He said for 41 minutes, paid 20$ to get and extra 60 miles on the charge

Smh, good job pocket protector geniuses with your EV revolution 😄

Does anyone here know how much non fasy charging costs at home to get to 80% in an average kwh battery pack with average electric prices?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by 2023G87M2

Does anyone here know how much non fasy charging costs at home to get to 80% in an average kwh battery pack with average electric prices?

Average where? It's like asking the average price of a house beer in a bar : too many correct answers, all of which "depend" on some local factor.

The national average is 15.64 cents per KWH, but I pay far less than half that, and I'm in a major metro area.

Going from 20% to 80% on a 75 KWH battery (a common size) is about 45 KWH's. is about $7 with the above price, but assumes 100% efficiency and zero charge loss until next use (neither of which will ever occur), and flat rate pricing. Some systems are more efficient than others, and no battery avoids charge loss. Many homes now have variable power pricing/rates too.

If you wend from 5% to 100%, it would be an additional 35% of charge energy. I mention this because batteries and their ranges all reflect 100% charges. Like a car with a 20 gallon tank but you only put 16 gallons in it, be aware the observed range will be less than advertised unless you fill it to 20.

[2023G87M2]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Average where? It's like asking the average price of a house beer in a bar : too many correct answers, all of which "depend" on some local factor.

The national average is 15.64 cents per KWH, but I pay far less than half that, and I'm in a major metro area.

Going from 20% to 80% on a 75 KWH battery (a common size) is about 45 KWH's. is about $7 with the above price, but assumes 100% efficiency and zero charge loss until next use (neither of which will ever occur), and flat rate pricing. Some systems are more efficient than others, and no battery avoids charge loss. Many homes now have variable power pricing/rates too.

If you wend from 5% to 100%, it would be an additional 35% of charge energy. I mention this because batteries and their ranges all reflect 100% charges. Like a car with a 20 gallon tank but you only put 16 gallons in it, be aware the observed range will be less than advertised unless you fill it to 20.

You just answered my question 😎. So not bad far cheaper than gas. At least for me. I don't understand peolle who buy teslas but have to go to supercharger and overpay all the time 🤔