F1 2019: German GP - Hockenheim (July 28)

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

cant understand this amount of hatred for HAM and Merc.. im a fan of Merc' since early McLaren days which makes more than 20 years now with some breaks for Merc.. i can call myself fanatic but not a blind one though still rational..

slicks on wet and full wet is always a gamble for any car.. i remember such a race that i ve been with 26hp kart on full wet weather with slick tires that i had to lean each direction to get some grip on a corner or a straight.. had drive like a motorcycle and power sliding like a drift car for many meters just to stay on the track.. we re talking about Formula 1 and such a driver that has 5 F1 titles, 80 wins and 87 pole positions.. wins every 3 race, that he attends.. broke almost all the records till now.. this week was a bad one for HAM and Merc' since they re humans also.. he was sick on Friday that Merc' wasnt even sure he ll drive.. he spun 2 times but still didnt end up on a barrier.. even Max's race wasnt looking good when he spun in the beginning of the race.. from my perspective i never seen him making multiple mistakes on weekend that like Toto says anything could go wrong really went wrong as a team.. but HAM still didnt give up until crossing the line that even TV didnt show he was so close to get a point but went out of laps.. though now he got 2 points anyway after FIA found out illegal clutch position on Alfa's.. anyway to sum up, HAM never blocked the race track for avoiding others for putting a lap in, never hit deliberately more than once in different years to be a champ or anything like that like Schumi was doing.. you may be overwhelmed by HAM winning races but he is one best drivers out there as a package like duels on track, one lap etc.. was a really bad race but for me seeing a driver that has such stats like this still fighting for 1 point showed me how great warrior he is.. next week there ll be a new race weekend..

Lol... You do understand that Merc was Brawn and Tyrell? If you're a fan of Mclaren then that team is still there, or did we switch when they started winning in the turbo-hybrid?
HAM is like Schumi, an excellent driver in an amazing car... Nothing more!

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by EdM5

How I loved Robert when he was driving that crazy BMW F1 car to the limits. And I remember vividly when he crashed against that Montreal wall - Watching the race live I was quite sure he was dead.

I don't think he ever fully recovered from that horrendous rally racing accident shortly afterwards but man I love this Polish warrior.

He sure is a fighter!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Nico Rosberg..

[yco]

Originally Posted by msk340i

Lol... You do understand that Merc was Brawn and Tyrell? If you're a fan of Mclaren then that team is still there, or did we switch when they started winning in the turbo-hybrid?
HAM is like Schumi, an excellent driver in an amazing car... Nothing more!

things changed after Hakkinen retired, and Raikkonen left afterwards in 2006..
there is BAR and Honda, Brawn also after Tyrrell actually.. and things changed a lot during this time.. dont understand why you re mentioning Merc was Brawn before.. Red Bull was Stewart before Jaguar, Torro Rosso was Minardi, Renault was Toleman many years ago.. Racing Point today was Jordan, so?

and im not sure you know Schumi's dirty side that much.. thats why i mentioned..

[c1pher]

Is Kimi making things work for Alfa or what? I really enjoyed this last race. Doesn’t really change the final outcome, but still awesome that things are moving around vs the same old Ferrari, Mercedes in the front.

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

things changed after Hakkinen retired, and Raikkonen left afterwards in 2006..
there is BAR and Honda, Brawn also after Tyrrell actually.. and things changed a lot during this time.. dont understand why you re mentioning Merc was Brawn before.. Red Bull was Stewart before Jaguar, Torro Rosso was Minardi, Renault was Toleman many years ago.. Racing Point today was Jordan, so?

and im not sure you know Schumi's dirty side that much.. thats why i mentioned..

I mentioned it because you say you were a fan of Merc from the McLaren days. It doesn't make sense. The McLaren of that time still exists, why don't you cheer for them then?

[yco]

Originally Posted by msk340i

I mentioned it because you say you were a fan of Merc from the McLaren days. It doesn't make sense. The McLaren of that time still exists, why don't you cheer for them then?

i told you already.. and McLaren without Ron Dennis is like night and day difference for me.. McLaren is a different team nowadays without Ron Dennis..

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

i told you already.. and McLaren without Ron Dennis is like night and day difference for me.. McLaren is a different team nowadays without Ron Dennis..

So you're a fan of Ron Dennis 😂 Cool story bro
See? That's the problem with Merc fanboys, they followed Hamilton who used to win with McLaren to Merc and became Mercedes fans. They forgot about McLaren and stuck with the winner. If Mercedes loses and Hamilton moves to Haas they will cheer for Haas 😂

[fanatic1]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

That. was. amazing... Can't believe Hamilton double crashed, and also was able to continue in both cases.

Lucky indeed, and to think he almost didn’t show up for qualie

A healthy Hamilton would’ve definitely taking on the two Haas at the end

[yco]

Originally Posted by msk340i

So you're a fan of Ron Dennis �� Cool story bro
See? That's the problem with Merc fanboys, they followed Hamilton who used to win with McLaren to Merc and became Mercedes fans. They forgot about McLaren and stuck with the winner. If Mercedes loses and Hamilton moves to Haas they will cheer for Haas ��

so you think people like Max because he s racing in Red Bull not in Ferrari? what a weird conclusion is this..
and yes im a fan of Ron Dennis thats right..

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

so you think people like Max because he s racing in Red Bull not in Ferrari? what a weird conclusion is this..
and yes im a fan of Ron Dennis thats right..

Lol I'm just busting your chops. It's weird to me that someone roots for McLaren then says he rooted for Mercedes since the McLaren days (when Mercedes was nonexistent) then says it's because of Ron Dennis 😂 You know I was a Ferrari fan since when Jean Todt was there, so now I'm a fan of every Motorsport team because Todt is FIA president 😂

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by yco

i told you already.. and McLaren without Ron Dennis is like night and day difference for me.. McLaren is a different team nowadays without Ron Dennis..

WELL SAID.

[racerbruce]

THE GREAT EQUALIZER....
It's amazing what happens to the 20 world-class F1 pilots when precipitation is immiment...."the last shall be first and the first shall be last"....

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Is Kimi making things work for Alfa or what? I really enjoyed this last race. Doesn’t really change the final outcome, but still awesome that things are moving around vs the same old Ferrari, Mercedes in the front.

Ferrari should have kept Kimi one more year, then let the LeClerc experiment unfold in 2020.

Max is a boss, best driver in F1 to me without question. Put him in Bottas' car and Hamilton won't win another championship. This is not saying Hamilton isn't one of the greatest drivers of all time, I just think Max is better at this point in their careers.

[E90SLAM]

Both times Max won this season both had a horrible race start! Coincidence?
Just shows never give up, and you'll never know what the race will reward you!

[ptack]

Best race of the year and best race in a long time. So many gambles by the drivers and the teams. Surprising drive by Vettel given the conditions, his proclivity for being overly aggressive and the fact that he had to start last. Maybe that and the conditions made him focus on surviving and not on keeping up with Lewis. F1 absolutely needs to keep this track on the schedule every year.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Incredible ! Another new RB pit stop world record in 1.88 sec. !

[jondagger]

If some of you didnt catch this

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by msk340i

Do you call starting at the back of the grid in front of your home crowd one year after throwing away a win while your young teammate started 10 places ahead "no pressure"???
I'm sure he had flashback every time he went through Sachs.

Different scenario, Vettel didn't have much to lose this time. Dead last, might as well give it all and chase every target up ahead.
But last year, he was leading the championship, while Hamilton was breathing down his neck. He has the most to lose, and definitely cracked under pressure.

[Relak]

Personally I think a race like the one on Sunday really shows the quality of the drivers without the bias of their vehicles. So many had issues with the tires and traction that it really came down to their ability as drivers. Max won due to a number of reasons (to include poor decisions by drivers and pit) but this race showed that if you put all the drivers on a level playing field, the ones with real talent will stand tall on the podium.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching Lewis win races but I think the Merc vehicles really give him and Bottas the upper-hand in most cases. This was an example of the rare occasion and I truly enjoyed watching the race for the first time in a long time.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Well guys ...It looks like everything goes wrong for Renault !

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by msk340i

So you're a fan of Ron Dennis 😂 Cool story bro
See? That's the problem with Merc fanboys, they followed Hamilton who used to win with McLaren to Merc and became Mercedes fans. They forgot about McLaren and stuck with the winner. If Mercedes loses and Hamilton moves to Haas they will cheer for Haas 😂

Not sure if serious.

You do know that it's ok to be the fan of a driver without regard to the team they drive for...no?

It seems that you have Hamilton hatred deep in your heart. And no...I've been watching Formula One since I was about 10 or 11 years old. James Hunt, Gilles Villeneuve and Mario Andretti were my first fav drivers. Later, as I learned more about the history of the sport, Von Tripps, Phil Hill, Jim Clark, and a host of others became my idols.

Like Prost, MSC and Senna...you are watching something special with HAM. It's too bad you evidence too much hatred to see it.

And so you don't think I'm a fanboy...I've been watching HAM since the lesser formulae. Formula Renault and GP2. And before you doubt his driving ability keep this in mind: He has a higher win rate in Spec Series than he has in Formula One.

Cheers-mk