AMG GT R Black Series

[See5]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Totally plausible. My thinking here is as such. The 991 GT3RS was 24 seconds faster than the 997 GT3 RS despite what looked like minimal changes so I believe that there is a 70/30 chance the new RS will be able to shave off ~8 seconds. And just to be clear, the reason it is 8 seconds is because the 991 GT3RS time was clocked at 6:56 for the 12.9 mile circuit while the AMG GT BS clocked 6:48 on the 12.9 mile and the record time was for the 12.8 mile circuit which the 2RS clocked 6:47 (excerpt below). So really, when comparing apples to apples, the AMG is well within reach of the 992 3RS. Not sure how many others caught that especially in comparison to the 3RS’ time.

The 992 undoubtedly will be better but with the 997 being a 996 derivative, there's basically 15 years of development from moving to the 991 platform alone. The 991 also had better aero, suspension, gained 70+hp and what amounts to racing slicks.

At this point, its pure power making the biggest difference. I seriously doubt the 992 RS is gaining 70hp over the 991 version. The GTR BS, SVJ, and 991 GT2RS are all making 740+hp with the GT2 and BS probably making more than that realistically.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by See5

The 992 undoubtedly will be better but with the 997 being a 996 derivative, there's basically 15 years of development from moving to the 991 platform alone. The 991 also had better aero, suspension, gained 70+hp and what amounts to racing slicks.

At this point, its pure power making the biggest difference. I seriously doubt the 992 RS is gaining 70hp over the 991 version. The GTR BS, SVJ, and 991 GT2RS are all making 740+hp with the GT2 and BS probably making more than that realistically.

The RS will likely gain 20-30 hp but for Porsche on an NA car that is usually 20-30 hp at high altitude meaning it’s much more at sea level or below. The 8 speed PDK with short ratios and aero will be a major difference as well and Porsche will be employing a big change there which I think will all add up. Of note, the 991.1 3RS did 7:20 so 24 seconds better from the 991.1 to 991.2 without a whole lot of material changes and only that 20 hp difference.
No one would have ever thought a 520 hp NA would do below 7:00 in the first place let alone a 6:56. Given that the GT3RS has 200 hp less hp than the AMG and is only 8 seconds off pace with the same 12.9 circuit I would wager a friendly bet that the 992 3RS will beat it.

No one would have guessed the 718 GT4 with only 414 hp and a manual would do 7:28 either but it did. The 2RS with 691 hp os a great time as is the SVJ and AMG, but the 3RS for its lack of power is much more impressive than all of them.

[See5]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

The RS will likely gain 20-30 hp but for Porsche on an NA car that is usually 20-30 hp at high altitude meaning it’s much more at sea level or below. The 8 speed PDK with short ratios and aero will be a major difference as well and Porsche will be employing a big change there which I think will all add up. Of note, the 991.1 3RS did 7:20 so 24 seconds better from the 991.1 to 991.2 without a whole lot of material changes and only that 20 hp difference.
No one would have ever thought a 520 hp NA would do below 7:00 in the first place let alone a 6:56. Given that the GT3RS has 200 hp less hp than the AMG and is only 8 seconds off pace with the same 12.9 circuit I would wager a friendly bet that the 992 3RS will beat it.

No one would have guessed the 718 GT4 with only 414 hp and a manual would do 7:28 either but it did. The 2RS with 691 hp os a great time as is the SVJ and AMG, but the 3RS for its lack of power is much more impressive than all of them.

I'd put money on that bet. I'm not seeing it unless the 3RS is on full slicks. The Cup 2R's aren't going to be passed anytime soon and the rest of the package won't make up the deficit.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by See5

I'd put money on that bet. I'm not seeing it unless the 3RS is on full slicks. The Cup 2R's aren't going to be passed anytime soon and the rest of the package won't make up the deficit.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but Porsche has some kind of voodoo going on with their street/track cars. Every so often someone comes along and breaks the record, and then Porsche comes out and reclaims it. I'm a huge Porsche fan but I do think I'd trade my 993 for a MB GTR. I hope my bug didn't hear that.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by See5

I'd put money on that bet. I'm not seeing it unless the 3RS is on full slicks. The Cup 2R's aren't going to be passed anytime soon and the rest of the package won't make up the deficit.

I think you’re underestimating Porsche’s uncanny ability to make a small change that equates to a lot on track (ie 991.1 3RS to .2 3RS and 24 seconds on the Ring).
Definitely call it a friendly wager.

[Eternalthinker]

This is indeed a true track car with number plates. The only downside in my opinion is that AMG has a little more to learn from the likes of Mclaren and Ferrari in customization. My request for the BS in Solarbeam like my GTR has been rejected.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Eternalthinker

This is indeed a true track car with number plates. The only downside in my opinion is that AMG has a little more to learn from the likes of Mclaren and Ferrari in customization. My request for the BS in Solarbeam like my GTR has been rejected.

That's a gorgeous GT-R!

[Eternalthinker]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

That's a gorgeous GT-R!

Thank you. It is not my fastest, but the rumble / pops / handling makes it a very unique + fun driving experience.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by Eternalthinker

Thank you. It is not my fastest, but the rumble / pops / handling makes it a very unique + fun driving experience.

Looking at your list, what are your thoughts on the GTR vs 812 vs 720s for longer distance drives, say 3 to 5 hours over twisty roads, something like the Californian canyon roads that Matt Farah drives his one takes on.

[PopsnBurbles]

Originally Posted by Eternalthinker

Thank you. It is not my fastest, but the rumble / pops / handling makes it a very unique + fun driving experience.

A CLK DTM?! WOW

The things I would do to see and hear one in person. Congrats on having such a rare and special car.

[Eternalthinker]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Looking at your list, what are your thoughts on the GTR vs 812 vs 720s for longer distance drives, say 3 to 5 hours over twisty roads, something like the Californian canyon roads that Matt Farah drives his one takes on.

The 720S and 812 would be the preferred choice on a nice trip to Napa or the coastline. The GTR's ride is quite harsh. Here is a good example. If I have a cup of coffee, it is most certain I will get some spillage on the GTR while I would not have the problem with the Ferrari or Mclaren.

The 765LT on the other hand I think would be a different story.

[Eternalthinker]

Originally Posted by PopsnBurbles

A CLK DTM?! WOW

The things I would do to see and hear one in person. Congrats on having such a rare and special car.

Thank you. I appreciate the DTM for what it was. It is not a fast car by today's standard, but it has a place in AMG history. I have always been a fan of German muscle and have taken notice of the M8 GC

[stein_325i]

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by Moflow

Nope. Not a fan.

agreed, a fat ass with a freakin' stupid 'wing'. I understand on the track, absolutely detest the look on the street, to each his own ......

[ABenLauda]

Drool! BMW's rivals come out with this amazing piece of engineering and the best BMW can do is a pig with a lipstick.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

meh... GT3 will wipe the floor with this pretender racer. Merc should stick to luxury vehicles for their 60+ customers.

It got a ring time of 6:43 vs the 2018 GT3's 7:12 and GT3RS's 6:56.

"Pretend". lol

[_X]

Originally Posted by Eternalthinker

Thank you. I appreciate the DTM for what it was. It is not a fast car by today's standard, but it has a place in AMG history. I have always been a fan of German muscle and have taken notice of the M8 GC

Is the CGT yours as well? If so, I would love to hear your thoughts and ownership experience.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by jmg

It got a ring time of 6:43 vs the 2018 GT3's 7:12 and GT3RS's 6:56.

"Pretend". lol

Dude, it's a 350k track-focussed special edition of AMG GT. Would you buy it over a GT2 RS/Pista and so on?

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by Eternalthinker

This is indeed a true track car with number plates. The only downside in my opinion is that AMG has a little more to learn from the likes of Mclaren and Ferrari in customization. My request for the BS in Solarbeam like my GTR has been rejected.

I thought you could get any color you want, as long as it's black...right?

[jmg]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Dude, it's a 350k track-focussed special edition of AMG GT. Would you buy it over a GT2 RS/Pista and so on?

If I had the means I might get this and track it over a Pista and a GT2RS provided it's as forgiving as a Front Engine RWD car usually is. GT2RS would scare me and I don't have any experience with a mid engine, so I would need to get some more seat time in one. My only concern is that it's the heaviest of the three.

[Eternalthinker]

Originally Posted by _X

Is the CGT yours as well? If so, I would love to hear your thoughts and ownership experience.

Raw is the word I would describe the CGT and yes am 2nd owner. Few other thoughts on it:

1. wish it had a lift kit for driveways - I have to go at a steep angle off driveways.
2. I only choose to drive her when I am attentive and not tired - it requires full attention
3. Stop signs and red lights are ok to stop, but I have driven her in San Francisco and have been stopped uphill at stop signs / red lights. Definitely not something I would recommend if you are just starting ownership. Getting used to the clutch and the release just right
4. Back to clutch - it is on / off - no feathering of the clutch otherwise it will stall.
5. Clutch replacement was the biggest ordeal - engine out

[Eternalthinker]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

I thought you could get any color you want, as long as it's black...right?

Black is tempting, but I'm not as young as I used to be and it is a part-time job keeping them clean