2015 Z06 650hp/650tq, weighs 3,524 lbs @ $78,995

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by Viktimize

The problem with your estimate is you're comparing it wrong. How do you expect GM to add all the tech and parts of the C6 ZR1 to the new Z06, plus a bunch of new R&D, and somehow maintain the old Z06 price point? That is completely unreasonable. C6 ZR1 is around 120k, so the new Z06 is going to be at least the same price as ZR1 was but most likely a little more.

GM probably won't release pricing until long after the car is unveiled next week, so we may not know that particular detail for a while yet, but (and I may be wrong about this because I'm too lazy to look it up right now) I seem to remember reading that the C7 Z51 performance in terms of lap times roughly matches a C6 Z06. If that's true, GM somehow managed to do a bunch of R&D on the C7, including a bunch of luxury, technology, and convenience upgrades, and deliver C6 Z06-level performance, all without straying too far above the C6 base MSRP. I still don't see $115-120K as a reasonable starting point. Maybe if they bring back the Z07 package, a top-trim Z06 with that package might get close to there, but I just don't see it.

[Viktimize]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

You are saying the new ZR1 is going to start at $120k+?

No way.

Friendly bet its under 6 figures

I will gladly eat crow if I'm wrong. But I don't get how everyone thinks it is so far fetched? Even last years Z06 was topping out over 100k. The cost of parts and manufacturing has not decreased, so how is this new ZR1 going to cost less than last years ZR1? It's impossible.

Oh and I didn't say it is going to start around 120k. I said the car will cost roughly 120k. I'm referring to a car someone would actually buy, not a base model MSRP that is on the books but doesn't really exist.

[Viktimize]

Originally Posted by Malibu1

Anyone comparing the Mustang to the new Z06 is totally off in left field. Why would GM give any shits about the Mustang? That is a Camaro competitor, which is why they have the Z/28 Camaro now.


That was not my intent. But if you would like to compare the Ford GT to this Chevy, I think I would take the GT. I think the Vet is good bang for the buck but at 120K? Vet is not what I would have in my garage for that price.

Not good bang for buck? The only thing remotely close in performance around this price point is the Viper. What else would you choose at 120k? I know I would be getting the Viper hands down, I got no interest in a car I will be seeing at every 3rd stop light.

I would take a Ford GT as well. But that isn't comparable at all. They don't make a Ford GT anymore, and even a 2006 will cost you 160-200k.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Viktimize

I will gladly eat crow if I'm wrong. But I don't get how everyone thinks it is so far fetched? Even last years Z06 was topping out over 100k. The cost of parts and manufacturing has not decreased, so how is this new ZR1 going to cost less than last years ZR1? It's impossible.

Oh and I didn't say it is going to start around 120k. I said the car will cost roughly 120k. I'm referring to a car someone would actually buy, not a base model MSRP that is on the books but doesn't really exist.

I am not saying you wont hit $120, just saying it won't start there. I think the car will start at a max if $89,999.

[Viktimize]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

I am not saying you wont hit $120, just saying it won't start there. I think the car will start at a max if $89,999.

Well being that the last ZR1 started at over 100k, I'm gonna say you are way off even for a base starting price. How is it plausible to suddenly sell the same car for 15k less??

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by Viktimize

Well being that the last ZR1 started at over 100k, I'm gonna say you are way off even for a base starting price. How is it plausible to suddenly sell the same car for 15k less??

Dude we get it. You think that C7 Z06 = C6 ZR1 and therefore that the C7 Z06's base price will be equal to or slightly higher than the C6 ZR1's. We're all just disagreeing with you, and saying the same thing over and over again won't change it. I already explained why I think it's possible that a next-gen Z06 can both outperform and be cheaper than the ZR1 based on how the C7 Stingray stacks up against the C6 Z06. In fact Porsche did that with the 991S, which is apparently faster around the Ring than the 997.2 Turbo and doesn't cost anywhere near what the Turbo did.

The C7 Z06 isn't the "same car" as the C6 ZR1 anyway. Just because it will have a supercharger and similar power output doesn't AT ALL mean it's the same. There are still tons of other elements of the car that we don't know about, many of which would have a huge impact on cost, e.g. whether carbon ceramics brake will be standard and how much carbon fiber will be used.

It's also not reasonable to now claim that you're talking about the "car you would actually buy" price, not the base price. The "car you would buy" price is going to be hugely different for different people, especially on a Z06 where a higher percentage of buyers are more likely to want a stripped-down track monster. We've all been talking about base price and that's been clear for a while.

[quagmire]

I don't know why people expect the Z06 to cost the same as the C6 ZR1.

The new Stingray adopts a lot from the C6 Z06, but doesn't cost the same as the C6 Z06.

I wouldn't be expecting the Stingray Z06 to cost $100K.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by quagmire

I don't know why people expect the Z06 to cost the same as the C6 ZR1.

The new Stingray adopts a lot from the C6 Z06, but doesn't cost the same as the C6 Z06.

I wouldn't be expecting the Stingray Z06 to cost $100K.

Exactly what I said a few posts up.

[Viktimize]

Originally Posted by jphughan

Dude we get it. You think that C7 Z06 = C6 ZR1 and therefore that the C7 Z06's base price will be equal to or slightly higher than the C6 ZR1's. We're all just disagreeing with you, and saying the same thing over and over again won't change it. I already explained why I think it's possible that a next-gen Z06 can both outperform and be cheaper than the ZR1 based on how the C7 Stingray stacks up against the C6 Z06. In fact Porsche did that with the 991S, which is apparently faster around the Ring than the 997.2 Turbo and doesn't cost anywhere near what the Turbo did.

The C7 Z06 isn't the "same car" as the C6 ZR1 anyway. Just because it will have a supercharger and similar power output doesn't AT ALL mean it's the same. There are still tons of other elements of the car that we don't know about, many of which would have a huge impact on cost, e.g. whether carbon ceramics brake will be standard and how much carbon fiber will be used.

It's also not reasonable to now claim that you're talking about the "car you would actually buy" price, not the base price. The "car you would buy" price is going to be hugely different for different people, especially on a Z06 where a higher percentage of buyers are more likely to want a stripped-down track monster. We've all been talking about base price and that's been clear for a while.

I don't know what you're mad about? I was asking a question, not trying to berate you or something. I'm just curious on someones reasoning that you can add a blower, upgraded engine, upgraded suspension and brakes, aero, R&D, etc. And not expect the price to go up? I'm not trying to make you or anyone else change their mind, just discussing each others opinions. This is a discussion forum after all isn't it?

Comparing the base model to the C6 Z06 isn't really reflective. The base model and the old Z06 aren't far off to begin with. So it's pretty easy to let that tech trickle down for minimal cost. Whereas this new Z06 is an entirely new monster from the old Z06.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by Viktimize

I don't know what you're mad about? I was asking a question, not trying to berate you or something. I'm just curious on someones reasoning that you can add a blower, upgraded engine, upgraded suspension and brakes, aero, R&D, etc. And not expect the price to go up? I'm not trying to make you or anyone else change their mind, just discussing each others opinions. This is a discussion forum after all isn't it?

Comparing the base model to the C6 Z06 isn't really reflective. The base model and the old Z06 aren't far off to begin with. So it's pretty easy to let that tech trickle down for minimal cost. Whereas this new Z06 is an entirely new monster from the old Z06.

I'm not mad at all, I just don't see why you seem to feel that quoting everyone who disagrees with you and giving the same reply will change people's minds more than just making your point once.

The fact is that there's still a ton of information we don't know about the C7 Z06, much of which could have a major impact on its price (as I alluded to above), so it's not possible to accurately predict its price. But I do know that it's not reliable to predict a car's price based purely on how it's expected to perform overall relative to its predecessors, since there are MANY examples of newer generations of cars outperforming even uplevel versions of their predecessors while still being priced under the uplevel versions. It's also not reliable to predict price based purely on its power output figures. Ford delivered a 662 hp / 650 lb-ft Mustang for about $55K, which was shocking when it was announced. There's a lot more that goes into the cost of a car.

How can I expect all of those things to be added without the price going up? Well other than the blower, all of those things were added to the base C7 and its price didn't go up much, and that doesn't even take into account the dramatically better interior, comfort and convenience features, etc. Getting more for less is just how the market evolves.

And your entire second paragraph makes no sense. If it's unfair to compare the C6 Z06 to the C7 base, why is it fair to compare the C6 ZR1 to the C7 Z06? Also, the base C6 and Z06 are VERY far apart, arguably farther apart than the Z06 and ZR1. And if it's "pretty easy to let the tech trickle down for minimal cost" from the C6 Z06 to the C7 base without changing the base price of the latter much, why don't you think the same can happen with the C6 ZR1 tech down to the C7 Z06? They're "the same car" according to you, after all.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Viktimize

Comparing the base model to the C6 Z06 isn't really reflective. The base model and the old Z06 aren't far off to begin with. So it's pretty easy to let that tech trickle down for minimal cost. Whereas this new Z06 is an entirely new monster from the old Z06.

The C6 used a steel chassis, little carbon fiber, etc. The C6 Z06 used an aluminum chassis, eventually carbon fiber, etc. They were quite a bit far apart.

The Stingray adopted a lot of the stuff from the C6 Z06( aluminum chassis, carbon fiber, etc) without a huge price increase from the base C6. So why is it hard to believe the Stingray Z06 can't adopt C6 ZR1 stuff without a huge price increase from the base C6 Z06?

[TunedM2C]

From Jalopnik.

[Greenkirby21]

holy moly this looks soooo good!

[hellrotm]

WOW!

Looks like a legitimate supercar.

[jphughan]

WOW! I see they got rid of the chrome "mouth brace" in the grille, and does that seam in the roof panel suggest that the Z06 will now have a removable roof panel?? The front grille looks a little strange with those cooling cutouts (presumably for brakes); I wonder if it would have looked better if they'd done away with the grille entirely and just left a hole like the new GT500. Not a big deal though, and it may well look better in person.

I'm really not crazy about that carbon fiber front splitter, though. I'm sure it's 100% functional, but it really pulls focus from the rest of the front fascia IMHO (kind of like the aero bits on the rear of the 918 Spyder that stick out on an otherwise gorgeous back end), plus that thing will probably be a scrape nightmare on the road. The smaller carbon fiber lip on the C6 ZR1 gave lots of owners fits when driving on regular roads, and it definitely wasn't cheap to replace.... I'm also not sure about the carbon fiber rear spoiler; I'll have to see it in person.

Still, if I'm going to give up my M3 for anything else in a few years (definitely won't be the new M3/4), it will very likely be this.

Can't wait for all the gory technical details!!

[swanson]

[Malibu1]

You are talking about stats of a "Make Believe Car" until it is officially released on the 13th. Rumors are not fact. Just look at the 15 Mustang. Is it a foot shorter and 400 pounds less weight? This is a funny thread.

[Year's_End]

Oh my GOD. I want more!!!

[Malibu1]

Sorry, I have felt Trollish lately.

[F1Venom]

Fk everything that's considered a sports car under $200k. I want this! It's fking perfect and will demolish just about anything. I think I might even prefer it to the 991 GT3, but I need a bit more info on this car. Awesome!

[BMW269]

WOW, I love it.

Corvette Z06 or BMW i8?

[Mavus]

If this thing can run with the 911 Turbo, GT3 RS, Ford Vodoo (or whatever) and GTR, just to name a few, it will be one hell of a car. Can't wait to get details. The rear is not great but it works better on this car. Looks absolutely sick.