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11-19-2015, 12:59 PM | #67 | |
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As far as I know, Camaro's haven't had a leaf spring since what? The 80s? Then the 3rd and 4th gen used a solid rear axle, trailing arms, subframe bracers, etc. Then the 5th gen uses a modern independent rear suspension setup and regular a arms, coils, etc for the front. The Vette on the other hand still uses a "leaf spring" but not like what you think in a truck or what a 2nd gen Camaro has per say. But a single (I believe) transverse leaf spring or monoleaf spring (something like that) that is used across the rear suspension from one side to the other. Same for the front. |
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11-19-2015, 10:26 PM | #69 | |
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11-19-2015, 11:44 PM | #70 |
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I just noticed this Camaro doesn't even have a rotary knob for its LCD screen. This makes it difficult to reach and use while driving because touch control is required. And the air vents are too low. Also the seatbelt blocks rear access and there is surprising lack of headroom there considering there is no swooping roofline like in M4. The car is a bit of an ergonomic disaster. Moreover: to spec it up to M235 levels you need to order leather, magnetic suspension, auto gearbox and dualstage exhaust. So it looks Camaro is not such a bargain after all.
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11-19-2015, 11:57 PM | #71 |
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What are you talking about. 2SS with those options you state comes in at $46.3k. A comparable M235i (don't forget to add limited slip diff) comes in at $55.2k. Almost $9k difference. Even then M235i doesn't have heads up display or ventilated seats. That is a big price difference and the Camaro 2SS will curb stomp a M235i around the track.
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11-20-2015, 02:07 AM | #72 | |
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Loaded m235 is around 55k. |
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11-20-2015, 08:12 AM | #73 | |
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You are missing the "Value".
I also think the new Ferrari 488 is a better car than the Camaro SS...... Like it or not here is how they judge them. Of course with any selection of the "best" many won't like the criteria or the ultimate winner that is selected. Quote:
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11-20-2015, 11:43 AM | #74 |
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Ok I was kinda nodding my head about the ergo stuff but after this statement I can't tell if you're just trolling. You're not honestly suggesting the M235i is in the same league as this car, right? It's an M4 beater for M235i money (when fully loaded), how is that not a bargain? And why do you NEED an auto and active exhaust?
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11-20-2015, 12:25 PM | #75 |
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No, it was actually a total letdown, especially after hearing GM acknowledged the C5 and C6 interiors were subpar and put a lot of effort into the C7 interior. It's certainly improved, but nothing I would call 'good'.
I rode in a friends 2011 Camaro and the amount of hard plastic surfaces in that car made me feel like I was trapped inside of a blacked out Tic Tac container. |
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11-20-2015, 12:46 PM | #76 | |
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Most people that sat in my Camaro said "wow, this looks like a fighter jet!". |
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BMW interior isn't anything like a Camaro interior. But Chevy uses way more. |
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11-23-2015, 07:26 PM | #79 | |
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11-24-2015, 02:51 PM | #83 |
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Exactly, despite how light the engine is, how low it's CG is, how much tq it develops with the higher displacement to weight ratio it has, etc. Efficiency requirements may have have signed it's eventual death certificate, but there are a bunch of advantages to the design and good reasons why it's used.
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11-24-2015, 05:11 PM | #85 | |
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Then you get the next group of idiots who use the displacement argument. Yes, the pushrod motor may be 6L next to your DOHC 4L. Then they don't want to hear that the pushrod motor they are comparing is lighter, smaller packaging, makes more power AND is more fuel efficient. Who gives a crap if it has a 30L displacement if it is externally smaller, lighter, more powerful and more efficient? |
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11-29-2015, 07:09 AM | #86 | |
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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11-29-2015, 07:22 AM | #87 |
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Dude, you are clueless. The Vette's leaf spring provides spring force to the suspension in an entirely different way than the traditional longitudinal leaf spring you have in your head like the ones used on pickup trucks.
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11-29-2015, 08:13 AM | #88 | |
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My point, really, was that people shouldn't dismiss cars simply because of their brand or some antiquated or snobbish views.
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