Naturally aspirated flat sixes return to the Porsche 718 in new GTS 4.0 models

[baege]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Axeschully hehe, some Porsche GT cars do have turbos in them. Not all, but street and race application models do have them.

true...I should have said the vast majority of Porsche gt cars and the ones I most covet

but different strokes for different folks

some people love turbo cars

I was just pointing out na preference is not just about sound

[Alfisti]

I was all for turbo cars, i guess until they were everywhere. And NA engines have come a long way. I am shopping sports car and absolutely 100% will not consider a turbo charged car. If the m4 had something like the GT350 engine, i'd own one right now.

[Humdizzle]

one thing i think being overlooked is that 981 caymans will also drop a bit. There are alot of 981 owners who refused to buy a 4 cylinder 718 and held onto their baby. Now they have a chance to get a new 6 cylinder car. People who tried for an allocation of a GT4 and Boxster spyder and didnt get it will also look at the GTS.

There is definitely going to be a fire sale on 718s though lol.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I was all for turbo cars, i guess until they were everywhere. And NA engines have come a long way. I am shopping sports car and absolutely 100% will not consider a turbo charged car. If the m4 had something like the GT350 engine, i'd own one right now.

The big lazy 6.2l in my Corvette has turbo like qualities with a broad torque band without the lag. But of course since everyone likes to complain, the issue with the 6.2 is the relatively low redline. Who cares when it makes 460hp and 465tq?

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

one thing i think being overlooked is that 981 caymans will also drop a bit. There are alot of 981 owners who refused to buy a 4 cylinder 718 and held onto their baby. Now they have a chance to get a new 6 cylinder car. People who tried for an allocation of a GT4 and Boxster spyder and didnt get it will also look at the GTS.

There is definitely going to be a fire sale on 718s though lol.

Actually it helps them imo....but I'm a biased 981 owner

The new base price of a of the 718 GTS is @ $90K ....you'll get to $100k real quick with Porsche option menu and likely well above that.

The hardest hit will obviously be the current 718 GTS

The 981 Cayman GTS can be had for $65k on up....those prices will hold steady or actually go up due to the 718 model being $40k more.

I know looks are subjective but imo the 981 GTS is much better looking ...the 718 GTS has a rather boring front end that doesn't really differentiate it from the base and S models like the 981 version did.

[baege]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Actually it helps them imo....but I'm a biased 981 owner

The new base price of a of the 718 GTS is @ $90K ....you'll get to $100k real quick with Porsche option menu and likely well above that.

The hardest hit will obviously be the current 718 GTS

The 981 Cayman GTS can be had for $65k on up....those prices will hold steady or actually go up due to the 718 model being $40k more.

I know looks are subjective but imo the 981 GTS is much better looking ...the 718 GTS has a rather boring front end that doesn't really differentiate it from the base and S models like the 981 version did.

as a former 981S owner (twice), I tend to agree
the 981 has a cleaner overall look to me than the 718
If particulate filters come on the new GTS for the North american market (nobody seems to know if they will), then there is no question that the 981 GTS (or S for that matter) will sound better than the 718 GTS 4.0

I am also not sure if the new GTS will actually feel much faster than a 981 S or GTS...the 718 weighs 200lbs more than the 981 and so the additional torque of 30 ft/lbs of the 4.0 really only evens things out over the old 3.4

the 981 S or GTS is an amazing car and amazing value...I may just get one again one day

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Actually it helps them imo....but I'm a biased 981 owner

The new base price of a of the 718 GTS is @ $90K ....you'll get to $100k real quick with Porsche option menu and likely well above that.

The hardest hit will obviously be the current 718 GTS

The 981 Cayman GTS can be had for $65k on up....those prices will hold steady or actually go up due to the 718 model being $40k more.

I know looks are subjective but imo the 981 GTS is much better looking ...the 718 GTS has a rather boring front end that doesn't really differentiate it from the base and S models like the 981 version did.

Where did you see the base GTS 4.0L msrp? I have seen other markets pricing but not US.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by baege

as a former 981S owner (twice), I tend to agree
the 981 has a cleaner overall look to me than the 718
If particulate filters come on the new GTS for the North american market (nobody seems to know if they will), then there is no question that the 981 GTS (or S for that matter) will sound better than the 718 GTS 4.0

I am also not sure if the new GTS will actually feel much faster than a 981 S or GTS...the 718 weighs 200lbs more than the 981 and so the additional torque of 30 ft/lbs of the 4.0 really only evens things out over the old 3.4

the 981 S or GTS is an amazing car and amazing value...I may just get one again one day

Particulate filters are not coming to the US. Just like the 718 GT4 won’t have them. They are only mandated in EU and Porsche has yet to put them on any car in US.

[baege]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Particulate filters are not coming to the US. Just like the 718 GT4 won’t have them. They are only mandated in EU and Porsche has yet to put them on any car in US.

I hope you are right, but we won't know for sure until they arrive in north america.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Where did you see the base GTS 4.0L msrp? I have seen other markets pricing but not US.

These are just a few estimates I've read on different sites based on the base price of the 718 GT4.... typically the GTS is about $10-12k lower then the GT4.
The outgoing 2019 four cylinder was $83k base

I'm guessing it will be about $87-90k base price on the new 4.0

[stein_325i]

Embargo has been lifted, reviewers seem to be much happier with the return of the flat-6 as expected.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...man-gts-drive/

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by baege

a preference for natural aspiration is not just about sound

it's also about the immediacy of the experience...feeling connected to all the controls of the car including the throttle

turbos take away from connection...they create a barrier between the driver's input and the car's response...a lag

Porsche GT cars are aimed at maximizing the connection between the driver and the car

this is why GT cars have NA engines and why I for one will always prefer NA engines

100% agree, and this connection is special, especially in Porsches. Immensely prefer the Porsche GT3 (rode in one) over the 911 Turbo (driven a few), and we all know how fast the Turbos are.

The Turbo is a great Daily in its own right, but the slower GT3 is just beyond thrilling. The sound, the vibrations, the drivetrain, it just adds to the thrill of the experience.....and it's not measurable in stats, but in smiles.

Thus, so happy to see the flat-6 back in the GTS.

[Alfisti]

I would legit take a N/A 911 GTS over a 911 Turbo S.

[baege]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I would legit take a N/A 911 GTS over a 911 Turbo S.

100%

[stein_325i]

Reviving my old thread but for those interested, the configurator for GTS 4.0 models is finally available on the US site, and prices start at $86,800 for the Cayman and $88,900 for the Boxster.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/7...ts-4-0-models/