My friend loves his Saturn Sky so much that I think Saturn brainwashes people!

[Couch]

Your friend knows nothing if he thinks traction control makes a car handle well.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

The Sky is a great car. They said at the end of their review, "Almost perfect". It's a good 500lbs lighter...wow our cars are fat.

That's actually been something a lot of purist have been pointing out about BMW. The cars are just getting too heavy. The E92 outweighs the C6, the Cayman S, and lots of other cars by hundreds of pounds. At some point in the future I see BMW releasing a 2-ton 3 series.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by NewSong

At some point in the future I see BMW releasing a 2-ton 3 series.

They call that the M3

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

They call that the M3

Umm, you know the 335i and M3 are nearly exactly the same weight.

Road and Track weighed the E92 335i and got a whopping 3,635 lbs sans driver.

The E92 M3 by comparison is 3,649 lbs sans driver.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by NewSong

Umm, you know the 335i and M3 are nearly exactly the same weight.

Road and Track weighed the E92 335i and got a whopping 3,635 lbs sans driver.

The E92 M3 by comparison is 3,649 lbs sans driver.

Don't worry, I'm sure the next generation will get it at 4K. The official E92 M3 catalog (sitting at my desk) weighed it at 3702 lbs. unladen. Just put on some blinging 19's and 20's

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

Don't worry, I'm sure the next generation will get it at 4K. The official E92 M3 catalog (sitting at my desk) weighed it at 3702 lbs. unladen. Just put on some blinging 19's and 20's

BMW and Cadillac, competing for fattest car 2011. I like the sound of that.

[Year's_End]

It's not just BMW, it's everyone. I'm just gonna post some vehicles' curb weights. Check it.

(I rounded the last digits on all of them)

E90 328i: 3290
E92 335i: 3580
E92 M3: 3700

C300: 3530
C350: 3620
C63: 4030!

IS250: 3450
IS350: 3520
IS-F: 3780

B8 A4 2.0: 3660
B8 A4 3.2: 3860
B7 RS4: 3810

G35S: 3530
G37S: 3620

CTS DI: 3860
CTS-V: 4220!

Not one car in that list has a sub-3,300 lb curb weight (besides the 328i, which only barely makes the cut). That's horrible.

I'm questioning the C63's weight listed here. It's hard to find a definite answer, but I saw 4030 pop up more than a couple of times so that's the one I used.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

Don't worry, I'm sure the next generation will get it at 4K.

Actually, that's probably unlikely. I don't have the source, but pretty much what BMW (and moreover M GmbH) stated was that the majority of their focus will be on reducing weight and Efficient Dynamics.

[TSM330i]

See below:

Originally Posted by azntripledragon

The Sky is a decent car for the money - but only the Redline. The standard car is a bit tame and not as engaging. He's flawed and quite a bit of his "Saturnisms" though. Let me give you a hand.

1. Ya my Saturn Sky has the front of a corvette and the back of a lotus. - that's not a compliment to have two halves of another car.
2. It goes 0-60 in about 6 seconds, so ya I can totally keep up with G35s - only if you push both of them off a cliff
3. "At least I kept up pretty well" in any race, whether it be a Porsche or a freaking Lamborghini. - Does the Porsche or Lamborghini actually know that you're racing?
4. Saturn is very modest with their posted 0-60 times, so even though it says 0-60 in 7.2 for my car its actually much faster, like 6 seconds fast! Refer to reply number 3.
5. Hey at least my car gets better gas mileage. - than what? It has half the horsepower, it should get twice the gas mileage.
6. Hey at least my car is a convertible. - if you wanted a convertible, you would have gotten a convertible.
7. My car is really low and since its so low and it has a low center of gravity my car can handle as well as a Ferrari, and it doesnt even have traction control. - yes, he's right, it does handle better than a Ferrari - one that is 25 years old. It doesn't need traction control because it doesn't need it with only 172hp, it can't spin the tires.
8. I dont need sat nav cuz on star is so much better. - no argument
9. I'm pretty sure my Saturn is a lot more reliable than your BMW. - what's your point? It's a Saturn and you're driving a BMW.
10. (After hearing my turn signal clicks) You think they would make the turn signal sound better... - they do, he's just tone deaf.
11. Your BMW sure does have a lot of body roll. - and it still out handles your Saturn12. You cant take that turn as fast as my Sky. - how about you follow me through that same turn.
13. See I dont have to wait for my seatbelts to come out, they are already available right there. - that's so the passengers can get into the back - how may passengers can you carry in the back?
14. Wow, you really got the "upgraded" speakers? It sucks, the bass is so much stronger in my Sky. - See post 10 for reply
15. I hate how you head lights move, its so annoying. - stop looking out the windshield when I'm driving at night.16. Wow, I am glad i dont have idrive. - no argument
17. Those are some awful cup holders. - you're supposed to drive while you're in a car, not drink
18. My car is half the price of your BMW and i can keep up with it. - Refer to post 3 for reply
19. I'm pretty sure the Sky Turbo hits 60 faster than your car, and it only has one turbo too. - Go get your Sky Turbo and we'll see - oh, wait, you don't own one.
You need to have some fun with him.

[ALPINE6SPD]

If my friend spoke like that he would no longer be my friend. What an immature loser.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

Actually, that's probably unlikely. I don't have the source, but pretty much what BMW (and moreover M GmbH) stated was that the majority of their focus will be on reducing weight and Efficient Dynamics.

Weren't they trying this w/ the current M3? It's lighter than the competition but as a whole I'm not feeling it. Lighter V8 than the previous I6, and CFRP roof, but the thing is around 200-300 lbs heavier than the previous car, and around 100-200 lbs heavier than the vanilla 335i.

[zetaxi165]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

I am sure the Sky is around 2800 lbs., or at least under 3000. It will outhandle the 335, which is a porker around 3500 lbs.

All the evidence from edmunds shows that the 335 handles better.

[guarnibl]

Originally Posted by azntripledragon

I need some advice so I thought I would resort to our fabulous BMW community. I have a friend and I absolutely love him, he is a fantastic friend. However this guy has a SERIOUS flaw when it comes to his car. He is so full of his Saturn Sky its absolutely unbelievable. Its actually kinda funny so I thought I'd share it. But when you hear it EVERY SINGLE DAY it gets really annoying. I just got my e92 335i in July and I had a Camry before. He has had his Sky for a year now. So before he didnt have much to brag about cause...well its a Camry, poses no threat to his ego. Ever since i got my BMW though, oh my god ill make a list of some of the things he says.

1. Ya my Saturn Sky has the front of a corvette and the back of a lotus.
2. It goes 0-60 in about 6 seconds, so ya I can totally keep up with G35s
3. "At least I kept up pretty well" in any race, whether it be a Porsche or a freaking Lamborghini.
4. Saturn is very modest with their posted 0-60 times, so even though it says 0-60 in 7.2 for my car its actually much faster, like 6 seconds fast!
5. Hey at least my car gets better gas mileage.
6. Hey at least my car is a convertible.
7. My car is really low and since its so low and it has a low center of gravity my car can handle as well as a Ferrari, and it doesnt even have traction control.
8. I dont need sat nav cuz on star is so much better.
9. I'm pretty sure my Saturn is a lot more reliable than your BMW.
10. (After hearing my turn signal clicks) You think they would make the turn signal sound better...
11. Your BMW sure does have a lot of body roll.
12. You cant take that turn as fast as my Sky.
13. See I dont have to wait for my seatbelts to come out, they are already available right there.
14. Wow, you really got the "upgraded" speakers? It sucks, the bass is so much stronger in my Sky.
15. I hate how you head lights move, its so annoying.
16. Wow, I am glad i dont have idrive.
17. Those are some awful cup holders.
18. My car is half the price of your BMW and i can keep up with it.
19. I'm pretty sure the Sky Turbo hits 60 faster than your car, and it only has one turbo too.

See I am a very nice person so i usually just keep my mouth shut and let him blab. But this is getting outta hand.

I can go on and on. See how annoying it can get. I personally have always wondered how Saturn still survived. I never see people who actually "want" a Saturn. I dont think it is a very good brand. But this guy is just...incredible. I'll say again he is a very good friend, but talking about cars with him, him mentioning how awesome his Sky is guaranteed.

So my question is, I am very passionate and knowledgeable about cars. I love my car to death and I could throw a million facts and my friend to shut him up. But i dont want that to happen. I dont wanna snap one day and go "consumer reports says your car is from the shitter". So any advice on how I should tell him to stop without hurting his ego?

I know this sounds like a joke, and it is pretty funny, but trust me I am serious.

LOL -- your friend is pretty funny. Good for him though that he loves his car.

By the way -- my previous car that I traded in for the M3... guess what it was? A Saturn Sky Red line

I absolutely loved it..

1) but it just isn't practical for daily use. It's uncomfortable for long trips (though mine did get around 36 mpg when I did pure highway at 65 mph in 5th). Thus the reason I was in the market for something else (went with the E93 because I didn't want to lose the convertible aspect).

2) The red line handles really, really well -- but it's no M3 (haven't driven a 335). I would imagine the 335 and Sky redline probably have similar handling performance.

3) The reliability of the Saturn engine -- is great. The reliability of the Saturn interior? Not so good, and certainly no BMW. It's cheap plastic that falls apart, even on the Red Line. The Sky Redline engine though is a damn beast -- as is the regular Sky (there are plenty of people in the low 11's in the base Sky with big turbos and stock internals). After all, it does weigh < 3,000 lb.

4) The red line is a REALLY fast car from a dig, but after 1st and 2nd gear are done -- it's useless. Completely, utterly, freaking useless. Horrid gearing, too by the way.

5) OnStar SUCKS. I ended up dropping it in my redline because I couldn't take it any more. The damn thing would tell you when to turn after you already passed the street -- and there's no heads up display so it's useless if you're using it in a crowded city (I.e., Washington, DC).

6) The sky seat belts suck. They always get stuck behind it and end up taking forever to maneuver back around just so you can us them. Again, back to the practicality issue here.

7) I'm not sure about the speakers, but he's probably right -- the M3 doesn't have as much bump as the Sky did.

8) Sky's head lights are epic fail times four.

9) I wish I had iDrive in my sky. Goddamn Saturn needs to put Navigation in that thing.

10) Is he seriously complaining about the 335 cup holders? Tell you what -- Wait until his cup holder on the right side pops out, and sit in as it's popping out. Guarantee you break it. The cup holders in the Sky are pieces of shit.

11) The sky fully loaded is $32k -- the Red Line is $35k (I'm figuring performance addons here -- truly fully loaded). The fully loaded 335 with sport packages are ~$48k, yes?

12) With a solid driver the 335 will be faster than the Sky Redline.

13) He's got you on looks IMO.

If you want proof I owned a Sky before -- go to http://www.skyroadster.com/ -- my username is the same.

[guarnibl]

Here's what Insideline found when they test the Sky Redline: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=120053

Summary:
0-60...........5.8s
1/4.............14.2 @ 99.0mph
Slalom.........67.4mph
Skid Pad......0.86g
Weight as-tested...3,055lbs

What? Those figures look off. When I was at the strip with a few friends that had the Redline -- I watched them run high 13's all night.

Some had different tires, a catback on the car, and an upgraded intercooler -- but that's not enough to warrant 4 tenths is it?. The 0-60 time sounds about right... I think it was closer to 5.5 and the 1/4 was 13.8 from what I was seeing people run. I do see a lot of review magazines showing similar statistics, but damn -- either people were really good drivers, or the upgrades made a LOT of a difference. Again though -- after 1st and 2nd gear, that sky is utterly useless.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by guarnibl

What? Those figures look off. When I was at the strip with a few friends that had the Redline -- I watched them run high 13's all night.

Some had different tires, a catback on the car, and an upgraded intercooler -- but that's not enough to warrant 4 tenths is it?. The 0-60 time sounds about right... I think it was closer to 5.5 and the 1/4 was 13.8 from what I was seeing people run. I do see a lot of review magazines showing similar statistics, but damn -- either people were really good drivers, or the upgrades made a LOT of a difference. Again though -- after 1st and 2nd gear, that sky is utterly useless.

Must've been the mods because I'm seeing similar results from other publications. In the end, we can all agree that the car definitely isn't slow.

[ZJP]

Originally Posted by ruxp

The Sky is like a sports car for mid-life crises victims who don't know anything about cars and can't afford a Corvette.

LMAO.

So true.

[Davin]

LOL