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01-16-2020, 02:55 PM | #67 |
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In 10 years, all Bimmers will be M cars, and M cars will be Super M's. Hahaha
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01-16-2020, 02:56 PM | #68 |
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I respect the performance capability of the M340 but it cannot be compared to an M3. Is it a real M car? Maybe. It definitely is more than it's not.
Right now an M3 uses essentially the same engine and most of the components so very little to differentiate them. The M340 is a beast in its own. The M brand death has arrived.
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01-16-2020, 02:56 PM | #69 |
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Which is 100% true lol. Not because its a m340, but because of the lack of feeling while driving it. Its simply put not a M car lol doesnt make it a bad car though
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01-16-2020, 02:56 PM | #70 |
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Since BMWs are about as common as Toyotas nowadays, and BMW seems intent on literally everybody owning one (which of course is their right and prerogative as a business whose first obligation is to make money), I see the "real M vs not real M" debate as basically a "my car is a more special version of a not so special car".
I mean, let's face it. This isn't a debate about which version of a Ferrari you have. |
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01-16-2020, 03:01 PM | #71 |
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This is simple branding strategy for BMW. It's sells them more cars but it in reality it's a "good", "gooder" and "goodiest". I say they keep M Performance and M as Two separate entities.
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01-16-2020, 03:01 PM | #72 |
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People do this already with the M-sport package. They will go out of their way to tell its an "M-sport"... my 2014 F31 had little M badges on the fenders and people wold ask me if it was an M car... most people are completly clueless...
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01-16-2020, 03:02 PM | #73 | |
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01-16-2020, 03:02 PM | #74 |
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But but but guys... M is just a letter.
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01-16-2020, 03:05 PM | #76 |
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I don't care what they call the "M Performance" models, so long as they stop using cerium grey trim!
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01-16-2020, 03:06 PM | #77 |
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Everybody gets an ///M
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01-16-2020, 03:08 PM | #78 |
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The reason people are bitching about M Performance cars is because M owners got to pay an extra $30K to get 0.5 sec faster car on a 0-60...
And we get an xDrive as a bonus so we are using them year round...lol Yes, this is a Dakar Yellow 435i M Performance (now an M435i) Dinan stage 2, manual gear box, xDrive and very proud of it.
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01-16-2020, 03:09 PM | #79 |
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I wish BMW kept the M designation to the proper M cars. If this helps drive sales though where they can continue improving upon the true M line, then I guess I'm for it...
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01-16-2020, 03:09 PM | #80 |
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Precisely
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01-16-2020, 03:10 PM | #81 |
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While I don't 100% agree with the decision, I can't say that I am in the slightest surprised by this, I saw it coming from a mile a way, it was inevitable, especially being that BMW is all about the ///Money.
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01-16-2020, 03:14 PM | #82 |
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Yay officially my first M car LMAO
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First off, if an X5M is a "real" M car, it is definitely not built for the track. Can it do impressive things on a track? Yes, but those accomplishments will ALWAYS be conditioned by the phrase "for an SAV". It's not a pure track car. For anyone. And...last November I went to Barber Motorsports for a Porsche driving clinic (my 3rd opportunity to do this). I can honestly say that when a Porsche is on a track, it looks and feels like it belongs there. I can't say that for any of my M cars. They always felt like amazingly capable compromises...but compromises nonetheless. Yes, they do amazing things. But I've never looked at (or driven) an M car and thought "this car truly belongs on a track". Many will disagree, which is the beauty of forums like this. But that's my opinion. |
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01-16-2020, 03:16 PM | #85 |
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Either it's an ///M or it's not.
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01-16-2020, 03:18 PM | #86 |
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I'm not sure why this is news, since this is how BMW organizes the models on BYO already.
An M car is simply more capable, but all this is magical fairy dust marketing.
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01-16-2020, 03:18 PM | #87 |
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Now there's more legitimacy to people that argue an M3 is an overpriced 3-series.
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