First 2022 Regulations F1 car revealed

[M5Rick]

N Rosberg has said that HAM used bullying tactics against him when both were in Merc,it was a case of get out the way or crash and Ros had to use his own formula and mind games to get somewhere in the '16 season.So it's a bit fresh of HAM now saying that Max used bullying tactics on him to finally defeat him for the DC, that he said with the pay back for what he did at Copse still in the blender.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I get the car maker part but think you over estimate the public desire for battery powered race cars and relevance to what's parked in their driveway. I tried to watch Formula E...No Thanks!!!

We are in a bubble in that respect the wider market and public generally have a different view. People that like and love cars like the noise and the emotion, many many just want to go from A-B and companies have to start showing the are helping to save the planet not destroy it.

Thats more important in some markets than others and some demographics than others but we aren't a representative sample unfortunately.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

N Rosberg has said that HAM used bullying tactics against him when both were in Merc,it was a case of get out the way or crash and Ros had to use his own formula and mind games to get somewhere in the '16 season.So it's a bit fresh of HAM now saying that Max used bullying tactics on him to finally defeat him for the DC, that he said with the pay pack for what he did at Copse still in the blender.

•Interesting ..

As we know , in 2022 the Red Bull RB18-B is actually the RB18-B 'Oracle Red Bull Racing .

But in 2026 there is a big chance that the Red Bull car will be powered by a Porsche PU with the name Porsche Red Bull Racing .

That's why Porsche is planning to use MAX as a billboard and come with a new model name ...
The Porsche will come in orange only , and with the name : The V-MAX Edition ..
Of course , V-MAX means maximum speed (velocity-max) as well...

The Dutch article => https://www.autoblog.nl/nieuws/max-v...orsche-3321247

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

•Interesting ..

As we know , in 2022 the Red Bull RB18-B is actually the RB18-B 'Oracle Red Bull Racing .

But in 2026 there is a big chance that the Red Bull car will be powered by a Porsche PU with the name Porsche Red Bull Racing .

That's why Porsche is planning to use MAX as a billboard and come with a new model name ...
The Porsche will come in orange only , and with the name : The V-MAX Edition ..
Of course , V-MAX means maximum speed (velocity-max) as well...

The Dutch article => https://www.autoblog.nl/nieuws/max-v...orsche-3321247

That's nice my friend ...it's a long time to wait but will be worth it.

[F87source]

footage of porpoising 22 cars, includes amr, alpha tauri, merc, rb, ferrari, and alpine. Ferrari looked the worst tbh, and the rest werent too bad.

[GuidoK]

I wonder if they can't make some kind of pressure equalisation valve in the floor to stop the porpoising.

Maybe even incorporate it in the carbon fiber, a part that bends open when the pressure beneath drops too far.

That way you wont have to mess with the suspension.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

footage of porpoising 22 cars, includes amr, alpha tauri, merc, rb, ferrari, and alpine. Ferrari looked the worst tbh, and the rest werent too bad.

Mercedes comes with a nearly complete new car ...
At least 50 % of the W13 parts will be changed !

Let's return to your statements..
You said Mercedes showed the real stuff at Barcelona, I said the Mercedes was fake and it was sandbagging !
Mercedes was testing the W13 dummy-car at Barcelona ..

Source ?
Of course ...
The Dutch article from today => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/me..._recirculation

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mercedes comes with a nearly complete new car ...
At least 50 % of the W13 parts will be changed !

Let's return to your statements..
You said Mercedes showed the real stuff at Barcelona, I said the Mercedes was fake and it was sandbagging !
Mercedes was testing the W13 dummy-car at Barcelona ..

Source ?
Of course ...
The Dutch article from today => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/me..._recirculation

1) you don't seem to be able to differentiate between factual sources, click bait articles, or just misleading opinions as shown time and time again when you have quoted this same site and it has turned out to be false time and time again.

2) we haven't even seen the w13 yet, but 50% is unlikely as that would imply also upgrading internal homologated parts. The external aero bits don't make up 50% of the car. So 50% is a click bait title from a click bait news source...

3) just because Mercedes beings upgrades to the w13 doesn't mean they're had a fake car.... Mercedes had issues with porpoising so they have to bring parts to fix it, combined with the endless development race things obviously have to change over time. That's how progression works. Fake would mean nothing remained the same completely different everything, progression implies improving upon existing designs. Also dont forget you can't expect upgrades to come out of nowhere, you have to test current model designs to ensure they correlate with CFD and wind tunnel data before making new upgrades, so obviously you'll see changes over time things naturally progress. Combined with structures within the car already being homologated, your accusations are false as per usual. So Merc didn't bring a fake car, they're just improving on what they had...


Don't forget other teams will bring upgrades too, redbull included does that mean they're faking twice?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mercedes comes with a nearly complete new car ...
At least 50 % of the W13 parts will be changed !

Let's return to your statements..
You said Mercedes showed the real stuff at Barcelona, I said the Mercedes was fake and it was sandbagging !
Mercedes was testing the W13 dummy-car at Barcelona ..

Source ?
Of course ...
The Dutch article from today => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/me..._recirculation

Oh yeah don't forget the teams that struggled the most during test 1 will be bringing the most updates, for obvious reasons as they have things that need to be addressed so they don't fall behind... It has nothing to do with fake cars, that would be the dumbest move to not take all the practice opportunities to under the actual car.


Don't forget development is currently on an extremely steep upwards slope so every single day that goes by brings major upgrades and developments as teams learn about their cars.

[F87source]

This explains it best:

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

1) you don't seem to be able to differentiate between factual sources, click bait articles, or just misleading opinions as shown time and time again when you have quoted this same site and it has turned out to be false time and time again.

2) we haven't even seen the w13 yet, but 50% is unlikely as that would imply also upgrading internal homologated parts. The external aero bits don't make up 50% of the car. So 50% is a click bait title from a click bait news source...

3) just because Mercedes beings upgrades to the w13 doesn't mean they're had a fake car.... Mercedes had issues with porpoising so they have to bring parts to fix it, combined with the endless development race things obviously have to change over time. That's how progression works. Fake would mean nothing remained the same completely different everything, progression implies improving upon existing designs. Also dont forget you can't expect upgrades to come out of nowhere, you have to test current model designs to ensure they correlate with CFD and wind tunnel data before making new upgrades, so obviously you'll see changes over time things naturally progress. Combined with structures within the car already being homologated, your accusations are false as per usual. So Merc didn't bring a fake car, they're just improving on what they had...


Don't forget other teams will bring upgrades too, redbull included does that mean they're faking twice?

Originally Posted by F87source

Oh yeah don't forget the teams that struggled the most during test 1 will be bringing the most updates, for obvious reasons as they have things that need to be addressed so they don't fall behind... It has nothing to do with fake cars, that would be the dumbest move to not take all the practice opportunities to under the actual car.


Don't forget development is currently on an extremely steep upwards slope so every single day that goes by brings major upgrades and developments as teams learn about their cars.

Well...We'll see that soon enough , but I'm pretty sure that Mercedes was/is sandbagging the most ..

Think , the dummy-time is over now , It's the last chance to test the real stuff !
Of course , as usual updates will follow during the whole season (track-specific)
And Ferrari will be very hard to beat !

Damn ! Let it come ....

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well...We'll see that soon enough , but I'm pretty sure that Mercedes was/is sandbagging the most ..

Think , the dummy-time is over now , It's the last chance to test the real stuff !
Of course , as usual updates will follow during the whole season (track-specific)
And Ferrari will be very hard to beat !

Damn ! Let it come ....

Sand bagging most definitely, the most who knows.

Yes all teams really need to ensure their final setups are dialed in for the race, now is the time to be testing not during free practice before quali.

Yeah if Ferrari is as good as binotto is saying and they don't need major upgrades and they only need to refine their setup. Then Ferrari might be the team to beat.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Sand bagging most definitely, the most who knows.

Yes all teams really need to ensure their final setups are dialed in for the race, now is the time to be testing not during free practice before quali.

Yeah if Ferrari is as good as binotto is saying and they don't need major upgrades and they only need to refine their setup. Then Ferrari might be the team to beat.

And the World Champion said : I'm ready for it !

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I wonder if they can't make some kind of pressure equalisation valve in the floor to stop the porpoising.

Maybe even incorporate it in the carbon fiber, a part that bends open when the pressure beneath drops too far.

That way you wont have to mess with the suspension.

The regs only allow holes and slots in certain places, anything else may start to be against the spirit of the rules and be clamped down on, the teams can’t dp just do what they like. Some teams did alter the edge of the floor to allow some of the air to bleed out, certainly Ferrari did this in the last day. They might be able to change the flow to help seal the floor without running too low which is why McLaren is doing so well as their approach makes things less sensitive.

It gets very complex very quickly which is why they didn’t spot this in the models it’s like dividing by 0 and infinity almost at the same time which hurts the model performance.

[F87source]

Another video talking about merc's packaging design:

Man when you see it with the engine covers off you can really see how tightly everything's packaged, literally everything from the radiators to the exhaust pipes are inline showing how tight those side pods are. It's almost like Merc doesn't have side pods, it's crazy how thin this car is.

[M5Rick]

RB 18 current package

[F87source]

So there are rumours mercedes have found a new side pod design that will actually eliminate the side pods, and rumoured to be 1 sec a lap faster than the previous w13 side pod design. I have no idea if this is just some garbage rumour stirred up for clicks, or if it will be legit, but I can't even imagine what it would look like or how it would even work. But as shown by the images above the mercedes package is pretty much the same width from the radiators to the exhaust headers so it is possible to completely eliminate the side pods if they can figure out how to duct air to the radiators and create outwash to push out the tire wake and all the other things. But again I have no idea how this would even work, but like I said before the only thing better than under cuts or overcuts to divert air flow to the rear of the car is to remove the obstruction all together. If possible this would be the highest performining design on the grid (factoring in no overheating, being able to push away the tire wake etc), the drag reduction from this design would be immense as well. Can't wait to see if this is BS or not by tomorrow.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-rum...h-no-sidepods/

[M5Rick]

The protests are waiting for a possible illegal Merc chassis, is there a sinister new reason why these two new bods were brought in.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The protests are waiting for a possible illegal Merc chassis, is there a sinister new reason why these two new bods were brought in.

The only reason why there would be a protest is from teams not being able to replicate Mercedes and potentially Mercedes powered teams due to their engine architectures now being locked in, and the engine architecture is key to the packaging.

There's nothing in the regulations that enforces the presence of side pods, you only need the side impact structures which will be present still. The only difference between this supposed side pod and the current one is just the externals, everything is already packaged where it needs to be to make the change, so all homologations are met. It's just a clever interpretation of the rules, if it comes into fruition.


Its funny when merc supposedly comes up with a genius idea it's called illegal, if Newey came up with this idea it would be hailed as revolutionary, and game changing. If Merc really comes up with this concept and it blows away the field I'm willing to say James Allison is the best F1 designer period. Now this is a big if, because it still could be internet nonsense click bait, or it could be a major flop. But it could be a major success, and that should come with the accolade of the best F1 designer, making the best F1 car for the last 8 years across multiple regulation changes.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

The only reason why there would be a protest is from teams not being able to replicate Mercedes and potentially Mercedes powered teams due to their engine architectures now being locked in, and the engine architecture is key to the packaging.

There's nothing in the regulations that enforces the presence of side pods, you only need the side impact structures which will be present still. The only difference between this supposed side pod and the current one is just the externals, everything is already packaged where it needs to be to make the change, so all homologations are met. It's just a clever interpretation of the rules, if it comes into fruition.


Its funny when merc supposedly comes up with a genius idea it's called illegal, if Newey came up with this idea it would be hailed as revolutionary, and game changing. If Merc really comes up with this concept and it blows away the field I'm willing to say James Allison is the best F1 designer period. Now this is a big if, because it still could be internet nonsense click bait, or it could be a major flop. But it could be a major success, and that should come with the accolade of the best F1 designer, making the best F1 car for the last 8 years across multiple regulation changes.

Ex world champ D Hill was saying he could see no real reason why Masi left or was 'transferred' to another dept.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Ex world champ D Hill was saying he could see no real reason why Masi left or was 'transferred' to another dept.

Now you're trying to spin a tale where nonexists..... Masi was fired because he clearly f'ed up many times during the season, and it was evident he could not deal with the pressures of being race director. Where Hill said he should have stayed others say he should be sacked.


You do realize the FIA race director doesn't call the shots on car regulations right? Masi was the race director, not a legality inspector....... There is an entirely different panel for that. Ross Braun and co also have a say on regulation changes too. And anything mercedes will bring will be checked with the legality team just like das was, and it will be even more strict this year so the cars don't bring anything that will distrupt air flow and prevent closer racing. That's why they have a hot fix regulation change this year so if the fia sees teams trying to circumvent the regulations they can hot fix the regulation and issue out bans. So mercedes will be legal.

The season hasn't started and we don't even know if the W13 is going to be present without side pods during testing 2 and you're already making excuses for redbull.... That shows your accusations aren't based in reality if you have to spin up stories and accusations before anything has even happened.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

Now you're trying to spin a tale where nonexists..... Masi was fired because he clearly f'ed up many times during the season, and it was evident he could not deal with the pressures of being race director. Where Hill said he should have stayed others say he should be sacked.


You do realize the FIA race director doesn't call the shots on car regulations right? Masi was the race director, not a legality inspector....... There is an entirely different panel for that. Ross Braun and co also have a say on regulation changes too. And anything mercedes will bring will be checked with the legality team just like das was, and it will be even more strict this year so the cars don't bring anything that will distrupt air flow and prevent closer racing. That's why they have a hot fix regulation change this year so if the fia sees teams trying to circumvent the regulations they can hot fix the regulation and issue out bans. So mercedes will be legal.

The season hasn't started and we don't even know if the W13 is going to be present without side pods during testing 2 and you're already making excuses for redbull.... That shows your accusations aren't based in reality if you have to spin up stories and accusations before anything has even happened.

Masi made decisions with so many outside factors and other interests involved in the decision making..
You say Merc will be legal when they haven't even appeared in campaign armour yet so I'll just take what you say with a pinch of salt for now