Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Some serious copper there, wonder how long until they get nicked.

Looks like good ol' Blighty there so won't be long before that copper wire ends up in a scrap dealers hands

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

You're being selective to try to prove a point. Here's the rest of the story...

BMW Canada is offering the following for ICE cars for the same 24 months at 1.49%:

2024 X1 xiDrive28i
2024 X3 xDrive30i
2024 330i xDrive Sedan
2024 M440i xDrive Coupe & Cabriolet

These are all better rates for ICE cars than the 1.99% for EV's over the same 24-month term.

Frankly, I think this thread should be move to the Off-Topic board because much of the conversation has more to do with the debate about climate change than about actual cars.

Be honest, I don't think those ICE models are popular choices for customers to pick. For me I will pick Japanese SUV or Sedan any day for the same amount of money I have to pay.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Honestly it pains me to see you get yourself in these situation.

Go back and read what got us here.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Remind me, why do EV's kill twice as many people by fire than a shitbox Pinto in a vehicle crash?

Where did you find this information?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

He keeps saying recycled when he really means turned into black mass that is landfilled or shipped to Africa. Wonder who pays to clean up this hazmat disaster, because the "recycler" just went bankrupt. Wonder how many hazmat gallons of water went into the storm sewer? Remind me, why do EV's kill twice as many people by fire than a shitbox Pinto in a vehicle crash? Maybe the HAZMAT placard needs to be mounted in the EV where drivers can read it.

That’s the “I’ve sharted” guy. Every thumbnail has him looking like he had an accident and has no available clothes with which to wear.

Go to his channel and look at the thumbnails. It’s all the stages of what has happened to him. You can’t unsee it.

[Car-Addicted]

'Fighting for our lives': Tesla driver in LA says his car 'dies every day' and he's 'over it' — why the current state of EVs is pushing consumers over the edge
"I thank God every day I chose to do a lease and I did not buy this car."
“We are literally out here fighting for our lives for chargers,” Antrell said.
He claims the recording was made at a Los Angeles Tesla supercharger station that is under equipped — with just five or six chargers, two of which are designated for handicapped use — for the high demand in the area.
“There’s literally six [or] seven Teslas over there waiting to charge their car,” he said. “They’re going to have to fight because they don’t know how to form a proper line. They skip each other.”
He added that most drivers then occupy the chargers for about 45 minutes, or until their batteries are full.
Antrell says he drives a Tesla Model Y Performance — the top-end version of this model with around 285 miles of range — but despite going all-out on a premium EV, he claimed: “My car still dies every day. I’m over it.”
“If you’re driving up an incline, for example, or if you’re driving fast on the highway … your battery depletes extremely fast,” Antrell said. “A lot of people get electric cars and it ends up being something they hate because they’re not getting that mileage that they thought they were going to get.”
Antrell claims he got his Tesla Model Y Performance when it cost around $70,000. In 2024, a Tesla Performance Model Y can cost up to $54,130, while a standard Model Y is going for $44,630, according to Car and Driver.
https://moneywise.com/auto/auto/la-t...dies-every-day

Article speaks for it's self.

[Car-Addicted]

Not letting up on Sulfur hexafluoride

Why is Sulfur Hexafluoride the WORST GREENHOUSE GAS?

Which Greenhouse Gas is Actually the WORST? | Hot Mess

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

'Fighting for our lives': Tesla driver in LA says his car 'dies every day' and he's 'over it' — why the current state of EVs is pushing consumers over the edge
"I thank God every day I chose to do a lease and I did not buy this car."
“We are literally out here fighting for our lives for chargers,” Antrell said.
He claims the recording was made at a Los Angeles Tesla supercharger station that is under equipped — with just five or six chargers, two of which are designated for handicapped use — for the high demand in the area.
“There’s literally six [or] seven Teslas over there waiting to charge their car,” he said. “They’re going to have to fight because they don’t know how to form a proper line. They skip each other.”
He added that most drivers then occupy the chargers for about 45 minutes, or until their batteries are full.
Antrell says he drives a Tesla Model Y Performance — the top-end version of this model with around 285 miles of range — but despite going all-out on a premium EV, he claimed: “My car still dies every day. I’m over it.”
“If you’re driving up an incline, for example, or if you’re driving fast on the highway … your battery depletes extremely fast,” Antrell said. “A lot of people get electric cars and it ends up being something they hate because they’re not getting that mileage that they thought they were going to get.”
Antrell claims he got his Tesla Model Y Performance when it cost around $70,000. In 2024, a Tesla Performance Model Y can cost up to $54,130, while a standard Model Y is going for $44,630, according to Car and Driver.
https://moneywise.com/auto/auto/la-t...dies-every-day

Article speaks for it's self.

My uncle tells me never to rush into anything, best to wait and see how things unravel.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Organizations like the New York State Police had warned against drivers traveling to view the eclipse in cars that couldn't withstand long delays: "If from out of the area, don't use vehicles that can't travel for 10-plus hours without charging - stranded EVs [electric vehicles] in traffic will be towed," Newsweek reports.

Monica of the Livesey family from Massachusetts said: "I got there [Vermont charging station] with 1 mile [of EV range left] only to find out there were about 60 cars waiting to be charged."

Monica Livesey obviously skipped the NYPD warning and self inflicted her own misery.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Organizations like the New York State Police had warned against drivers traveling to view the eclipse in cars that couldn't withstand long delays: "If from out of the area, don't use vehicles that can't travel for 10-plus hours without charging - stranded EVs [electric vehicles] in traffic will be towed," Newsweek reports.

Monica of the Livesey family from Massachusetts said: "I got there [Vermont charging station] with 1 mile [of EV range left] only to find out there were about 60 cars waiting to be charged."

There was a guy on the Mach E forum on Friday last week from Vermont who warned members not to take their EV to Vermont for the Eclipse. He said the state is well under-infrastructured.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

'Fighting for our lives': Tesla driver in LA says his car 'dies every day' and he's 'over it' — why the current state of EVs is pushing consumers over the edge
"I thank God every day I chose to do a lease and I did not buy this car."
“We are literally out here fighting for our lives for chargers,” Antrell said.
He claims the recording was made at a Los Angeles Tesla supercharger station that is under equipped — with just five or six chargers, two of which are designated for handicapped use — for the high demand in the area.
“There’s literally six [or] seven Teslas over there waiting to charge their car,” he said. “They’re going to have to fight because they don’t know how to form a proper line. They skip each other.”
He added that most drivers then occupy the chargers for about 45 minutes, or until their batteries are full.
Antrell says he drives a Tesla Model Y Performance — the top-end version of this model with around 285 miles of range — but despite going all-out on a premium EV, he claimed: “My car still dies every day. I’m over it.”
“If you’re driving up an incline, for example, or if you’re driving fast on the highway … your battery depletes extremely fast,” Antrell said. “A lot of people get electric cars and it ends up being something they hate because they’re not getting that mileage that they thought they were going to get.”
Antrell claims he got his Tesla Model Y Performance when it cost around $70,000. In 2024, a Tesla Performance Model Y can cost up to $54,130, while a standard Model Y is going for $44,630, according to Car and Driver.
https://moneywise.com/auto/auto/la-t...dies-every-day

Article speaks for it's self.

Unlike my extended family member who just picked up a Model Y LR, this guy sounds like a terrible candidate for an EV in the first place, and should have done more research. If you're "fighting for chargers every day" then you probably drive long distances, and also don't have a home charger. Hitting Cali Tesla Superchargers you're also paying through the roof at like $0.50/kWHr, which costs as much as filling a gas tank. Meanwhile my extended family member (in San Jose) works for a European company and largely on European time from Cali, so finished their day way early, and went to the local mall/supermarket freebie charger for a few hours while everybody else was still muscling through the middle of their work day.

Edit: It was a slower Level 2 charger (about 10kW), and they went back to check a few times and there were always 3-5 stalls open, so no big deal. Really helps to have an offset work schedule. Working mostly on European time from Cali, your work day is pretty much done by the time everybody else's mornings are just ramping up, so makes it really easy to hit the freebie Level 2 and off-peak Level 3 chargers without the shenanigans.

This guy would have been better off in the new Prius, or heck even an X5 45e/50e where there's only a slight reduction in fuel capacity and highway mileage, and plenty of power and range.

[KRS_SN]

https://news.sky.com/story/new-coal-...-fuel-13112101


But the new coal plants do "not necessarily mean that China is going to increase an equivalent scale of CO2 emissions," said Qi Qin, China analyst for Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, who also wrote the report.

That's because China is "increasing its renewable power capacities by [the same] scale too", she said.

China has recently built more solar power than the rest of the world combined,




Impressive to say the least. More coal more solar more energy = less fuel poverty

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

This guy would have been better off in the new Prius, or heck even an X5 45e/50e where there's only a slight reduction in fuel capacity and highway mileage, and plenty of power and range.

You're most likely correct. IMO the two requirements for most people to have success with a EV is home charging and a second ICE vehicle. I see very few horror stories when these criteria are met. The folks driving hundreds of miles to see the solar eclipse were idiots.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You're most likely correct. IMO the two requirements for most people to have success with a EV is home charging and a second ICE vehicle. I see very few horror stories when these criteria are met. The folks driving hundreds of miles to see the solar eclipse were idiots.

The other big factor is freezing cold weather to deal with where cars are burning up 5-10% of their battery capacity per day just to not completely freeze, and then either won't charge at all, or are sucking down 7-10kW on "pre-conditioning" for hours and still never charge. Then again, a secondary ICE vehicle would cover for that as well.

[carseatsm5]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Organizations like the New York State Police had warned against drivers traveling to view the eclipse in cars that couldn't withstand long delays: "If from out of the area, don't use vehicles that can't travel for 10-plus hours without charging - stranded EVs [electric vehicles] in traffic will be towed," Newsweek reports.

Monica of the Livesey family from Massachusetts said: "I got there [Vermont charging station] with 1 mile [of EV range left] only to find out there were about 60 cars waiting to be charged."

This is truly my nightmare.

[G30M]

bought a Kia EV6 GT at 40% discount, it's so good I've sold my M340i today.
Now it's mind numbingly fast and comfortable EV for the family and V8 when i'm driving alone

[RM7]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

The other big factor is freezing cold weather to deal with where cars are burning up 5-10% of their battery capacity per day just to not completely freeze, and then either won't charge at all, or are sucking down 7-10kW on "pre-conditioning" for hours and still never charge. Then again, a secondary ICE vehicle would cover for that as well.

If that was really a big thing, then I doubt I'd see so many EVs here in Alaska. Even seen me some Rivians now...but mostly Tesla, Hyundai, Kia, Ford...a few others in much smaller numbers. I did have one pull out behind me on a real rough road today and it was funny to watch them go around all the bumps...but then I'm basically in a baja truck and the SUV in front of me was going at least as slow when I caught up. But back to the EVs in cold places: The sky isn't falling here like it is for Car-Addicted. He lives in constant fear of EVs, but they are here working every day.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by G30M

bought a Kia EV6 GT at 40% discount, it's so good I've sold my M340i today.
Now it's mind numbingly fast and comfortable EV for the family and V8 when i'm driving alone

Sounds like a great deal. That's your initial depreciation back to you as a discount so well played

[Car-Addicted]

Global monthly atmospheric sulphur hexafluoride levels



The researchers found that SF6 emissions in China almost doubled from 2.6 gigagrams (Gg) per year in 2011, when they accounted for 34 percent of global SF6 emissions, to 5.1 Gg per year in 2021, when they accounted for 57 percent of global total SF6 emissions. This increase from China over the 10-year period — some of it emerging from the country’s less-populated western regions — was larger than the global total SF6 emissions rise, highlighting the importance of lowering SF6 emissions from China in the future.
https://news.mit.edu/2024/atmospheri...oride-sf6-0328

I wonder if Sulphur compounds effect ground water?

[Car-Addicted]

Denver man’s car bursts into flames, says he’s done with EV models
April 11, 2024
Isaac says just five months ago, he and his wife purchased a Chevy Bolt.
“We thought it’d be a good gas saver, and they were offering a tax break on them,” he said, “so we went and bought the Chevy Bolt because it was the most affordable one we could get with the tax break.”
Two weeks ago, it suddenly burst into flames in the middle of the night and the fire started spreading to their home.
In the meantime, he’s purchased a new car, another EV, that his daughter refused to ride in, so he returned it for a gas-powered vehicle.
“No more EV vehicles for me,” he said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/denver-ma...020428678.html

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by RM7

If that was really a big thing, then I doubt I'd see so many EVs here in Alaska. Even seen me some Rivians now...but mostly Tesla, Hyundai, Kia, Ford...a few others in much smaller numbers. I did have one pull out behind me on a real rough road today and it was funny to watch them go around all the bumps...but then I'm basically in a baja truck and the SUV in front of me was going at least as slow when I caught up. But back to the EVs in cold places: The sky isn't falling here like it is for Car-Addicted. He lives in constant fear of EVs, but they are here working every day.

LOL. Well there's no denying that EV's are definitely more prone to cold weather issues than ICE. Same for any battery powered device. There's never any shortage of news reports and viral social media posts about EV's not working or not charging in very cold weather here in the lower-48, typically when at or below 10-20F.

So how do they manage EV's up in Alaska? Heated garages? Okay with much shorter driving ranges, or not driving very far? Home charging? Staying plugged in at night to keep the battery warm? Sure, EV's can be adapted to "work" in cold weather, but compromises and management are involved.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by aknight720

This is such a niche situation, it's like "I won't take medication because I suffered a side effect which only occurs once in a few hundred thousand cases"

Grow up and open your eyes, ICE also have problems to blow up and stuff

At least two or three roll-on roll-off type automotive transport ships have sunk due to EV fires that couldn't be put out, possibly more. Sure, ICE vehicles can blow up and catch on fire, but tends to happen while actually driving them, and are much more easily extinguished. Now compare with an EV which can catch fire while turned off while in your garage and not even charging (or on a transport ship!), while also being orders of magnitude more difficult to extinguish. Big difference, and also far more dangerous. Don't hear of too many ICE cars randomly catching fire while parked in your garage and burning your entire house down.