Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Much of this stuff will get delayed or rolled back I suspect. This will mainly be out of fear in the House of Representatives who are on the hook every two years for severe stupidity.

I wouldn't bet folding money on that theory

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I wouldn't bet folding money on that theory

Agreed, and that's an expression I haven't heard in a very long time.

[Car-Addicted]

Impaired Driving Prevention Technology Sounds like a good idea?

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
Advanced Impaired Driving Prevention Technology
Distracted Driving:
NHTSA defines “driver distraction” as inattention that occurs when drivers divert their attention away from the driving task to focus on another activity.
In general, distractions derive from a variety of sources including electronic devices, such as navigation systems and mobile phones, as well as conventional distractions such as sights or events external to the vehicle, interactions with passengers, and eating or drinking.
Section 24220 defines “Advanced Drunk and Impaired Driving Technology” as a system that
(A) can—
(i) passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to
accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired; and
(ii) prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if an impairment is detected; or
(B) can—
(i) passively and accurately detect whether the blood alcohol concentration of a driver of a motor vehicle is equal to or greater than the blood alcohol concentration described in section 163(a) of title 23, United States Code; and
(ii) prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if a blood alcohol concentration above the legal limit is detected; or
(C) is a combination of systems described in subparagraphs (A) and (B).97
This means that a final rule could require vehicles be equipped with a system that detects whether the driver is impaired (an impairment-detection system); a system that detects whether the driver’s BAC is above a specified threshold (a BAC-detection system); or a combination of these two systems. These options and the technology that might fulfill each option are discussed in greater detail later in this document.
NHTSA reviewed several available and prototype camera-based driving
monitoring systems that publicly state the ability to monitor aspects of driver state, including driver’s eye gaze, eyelid/eye closure, pupil size, head/neck position, posture, hand/foot position, and facial emotion during the driving task.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.go...n-12-12-23.pdf

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

I posted this at Rennlist, mods of the 718EV section removed it. EV folks are a touchy bunch, and I owned 2 at one time, these people are a cult.


Let's imagine we live in a world where all cars were EVs, and then a new invention comes along called the "Internal Combustion Engine!"

Think how well they would sell:
- A vehicle nearly half the weight
- half the price
- almost quarter the damage done to the road
- can be refueled in 1/20th of the time
- has a range up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions
- does not rely on environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it
- uses far less steel and other materials
- no looming $30k+ battery replacement cost
- real engine noise and exciting powerband
- can be driven on the track or in the mountains all day long
- analog driving experience with manual transmission options
- hand-built artisan craftsmanship for unique powertrains, like a swiss watch vs. mass produced apple watches

Just think how excited people would be for such technology. Imagine how long the wait lists would be for real Porsche GT products!

Very well said ICE anytime for me.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Funny you should post that. I had the M4CS out a for a run last year and I pulled into a parking lot and a Tesla parked right next to me and I Instinctively moved my car to a different space.

Tech Tip: Don't park next to beat up rusted pick up trucks or EV's

That what I do too. I wouldn't say all the EV drivers have shitty driving skills but most are (including parking skill). Think back when people have to drive a manual shift, no computer assist driving, you need to know your shit before you are out on the road. Now it is completely opposite, everyone think they know their shit.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by gilberjj

Moderators, would you please change the title of this thread to “EV hate group: We hate EVs and will spin any story to EV hate”
Let’s call it what it is.

Maybe I should just stop visiting this thread, but the amount of blind hate is baffling. None of you need to own an EV. For those of us who do, you all come across as small minded and threatened by something that shouldn’t threaten you.
It’s incredibly simple. For many families, EVs represent a superior 2nd or 3rd vehicle. They’re reliable, cheap to operate and powerful.

How many households can afford 2 cars? not to mention 3 cars.... Is it a joke of the day. If money is not an object, the world is beautiful and I already know ....

[Car-Addicted]

Poor phone signal is hitting the UK’s electric car drivers
04/08/2024
Electric vehicle (EV) drivers could struggle to use around two-thirds of Britain’s most common type of public chargepoint because of patchy mobile signals.
The study found that 66% of Type-2 chargers – which have speeds of up to 8kw – in Britain excluding London are in areas where at least one mobile network provider does not have usable 4G coverage.
“Where signal connectivity at a chargepoint is a problem, drivers might conclude that the charger is at fault, hence undermining the confidence we should be building in the reliability of public charging options for electric vehicles.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/m...-b2524984.html

Happened to me the other day, I was trying to fill up my Toyota Tacoma ICE and I didn't have cell service so I ran out of gas trying to find cell service. NOT

[Car-Addicted]

Maybe part of the cure that ails us

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Poor phone signal is hitting the UK’s electric car drivers
04/08/2024
Electric vehicle (EV) drivers could struggle to use around two-thirds of Britain’s most common type of public chargepoint because of patchy mobile signals.
The study found that 66% of Type-2 chargers – which have speeds of up to 8kw – in Britain excluding London are in areas where at least one mobile network provider does not have usable 4G coverage.
“Where signal connectivity at a chargepoint is a problem, drivers might conclude that the charger is at fault, hence undermining the confidence we should be building in the reliability of public charging options for electric vehicles.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/m...-b2524984.html

Happened to me the other day, I was trying to fill up my Toyota Tacoma ICE and I didn't have cell service so I ran out of gas trying to find cell service. NOT

Similar thing happen to me too. I drove my car to the touchless car wash. For some reasons, my phone cannot generate the car wash code due to wifi connection at the gas station. No car wash for me on that day and I can live with it. If this is happen to EV charging issue, that will piss off a lot of the EV drivers

[Car-Addicted]

Tesla Trial to Size Up Cause of Fatal Autopilot Crash: Driver or Tech
April 8, 2024
Tesla is preparing for one of the biggest tests of its driver-assistant Autopilot: defending the company’s position that drivers, not the automaker, are ultimately responsible for crashes that involve the technology.
In a wrongful-death suit set for trial this week, a jury will determine who is at fault in the 2018 fatal crash involving 38-year-old Apple
engineer Walter Huang. The driver died on Highway 101 in California after his Model X sport-utility vehicle crashed into a highway barrier while he was using Tesla’s driver-assistance technology.



Tesla says Huang is responsible because he was playing a videogame while the vehicle was engaged in Autopilot. Government investigators and the Huangs agree that he was distracted in the moments leading up to the crash, but the family says Tesla is at fault because of its marketing of Autopilot.

https://archive.is/eM0dj#selection-6027.0-6031.200

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Tesla Trial to Size Up Cause of Fatal Autopilot Crash: Driver or Tech
April 8, 2024
Tesla is preparing for one of the biggest tests of its driver-assistant Autopilot: defending the company’s position that drivers, not the automaker, are ultimately responsible for crashes that involve the technology.
In a wrongful-death suit set for trial this week, a jury will determine who is at fault in the 2018 fatal crash involving 38-year-old Apple
engineer Walter Huang. The driver died on Highway 101 in California after his Model X sport-utility vehicle crashed into a highway barrier while he was using Tesla’s driver-assistance technology.



Tesla says Huang is responsible because he was playing a videogame while the vehicle was engaged in Autopilot. Government investigators and the Huangs agree that he was distracted in the moments leading up to the crash, but the family says Tesla is at fault because of its marketing of Autopilot.

https://archive.is/eM0dj#selection-6027.0-6031.200

Well, if you want to hold people responsible for ****ing around with their phones while they are driving and "enforce our existing laws", you hopefully support sticking it to the driver that was ****ing off while they were supposed to be driving/paying attention.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Tesla Trial to Size Up Cause of Fatal Autopilot Crash: Driver or Tech
April 8, 2024
Tesla is preparing for one of the biggest tests of its driver-assistant Autopilot: defending the company’s position that drivers, not the automaker, are ultimately responsible for crashes that involve the technology.
In a wrongful-death suit set for trial this week, a jury will determine who is at fault in the 2018 fatal crash involving 38-year-old Apple
engineer Walter Huang. The driver died on Highway 101 in California after his Model X sport-utility vehicle crashed into a highway barrier while he was using Tesla’s driver-assistance technology.



Tesla says Huang is responsible because he was playing a videogame while the vehicle was engaged in Autopilot. Government investigators and the Huangs agree that he was distracted in the moments leading up to the crash, but the family says Tesla is at fault because of its marketing of Autopilot.

https://archive.is/eM0dj#selection-6027.0-6031.200

So because of McNeils admission this may backfire badly against Tes's driver-assistance.

[Car-Addicted]

Tesla Settles Over Fatal Autopilot Crash on Eve of Trial
(Bloomberg) -- Tesla Inc. reached a settlement on the eve of its highest-profile trial yet over a crash involving Autopilot, the driver-assistance system Elon Musk has billed as crucial to his pursuit of self-driving cars.
Terms of the settlement weren’t disclosed in court filings made public Monday in state court in San Jose, California.
The trial would have featured testimony from several current and former Tesla engineers. The settlement comes as Musk has vowed to unveil Tesla’s robotaxi on Aug. 8, four months from now. As electric vehicles become more mainstream, Tesla’s push into artificial intelligence and autonomous driving has been key to its lofty valuation.
Beyond their claims against Tesla, the Huangs also alleged that California’s transportation department was partly to blame for failing to fix the barrier that had recently sustained damage from another crash. Had it been repaired, they said, it might have absorbed the impact of the Model X collision and saved Walter Huang’s life. The court’s docket indicates that the claims against the highway department are still pending.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...dc48b311&ei=32

Moral of this story is in America you can be very stupid, ignore the law and get very rich but you'er are still dead.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Tesla Settles Over Fatal Autopilot Crash on Eve of Trial
(Bloomberg) -- Tesla Inc. reached a settlement on the eve of its highest-profile trial yet over a crash involving Autopilot, the driver-assistance system Elon Musk has billed as crucial to his pursuit of self-driving cars.
Terms of the settlement weren’t disclosed in court filings made public Monday in state court in San Jose, California.
The trial would have featured testimony from several current and former Tesla engineers. The settlement comes as Musk has vowed to unveil Tesla’s robotaxi on Aug. 8, four months from now. As electric vehicles become more mainstream, Tesla’s push into artificial intelligence and autonomous driving has been key to its lofty valuation.
Beyond their claims against Tesla, the Huangs also alleged that California’s transportation department was partly to blame for failing to fix the barrier that had recently sustained damage from another crash. Had it been repaired, they said, it might have absorbed the impact of the Model X collision and saved Walter Huang’s life. The court’s docket indicates that the claims against the highway department are still pending.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...dc48b311&ei=32

Moral of this story is in America you can be very stupid, ignore the law and get very rich but you'er are still dead.

I'm guessing two payouts pending for the H's.

[KRS_SN]

The Swiss women, called KlimaSeniorinnen or Senior Women for Climate Protection, argued that they cannot leave their homes and suffer health attacks during heatwaves in Switzerland.


FFS! ... it's Switzerland not sub saharan Africa


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-e...t-68768598.amp

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

She isn't the only dealer refusing to take them on trade.

If you are a middle income family with a baby and the Li battery goes boom with no warranty then you are srrewed, she says.
If you like rock or any music loud in your EV, with a/c on of course, then the range decreases even more..with using WOT, the colder it gets has you worrying and should you break down for no reason then a new nightmare begins as EV can't be moved by normal breakdown procedure and is electric shock risk except for specialised EV handler who has to switch the battery off before somehow loading the over-heavy POS onto a low loader. * oh to add the incapacitated EV can't be towed.
The list continues more and more as people who didn't realize, as she says, are handing them back for gas cars and the forecourts are getting fuller by the minute of unwanted EV's.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If you are a middle income family with a baby and the Li battery goes boom with no warranty then you are srrewed, she says.
If you like rock or any music loud in your EV, with a/c on of course, then the range decreases even more..with using WOT, the colder it gets has you worrying and should you break down for no reason then a new nightmare begins as EV can't be moved by normal breakdown procedure and is electric shock risk except for specialised EV handler who has to switch the battery off before somehow loading the over-heavy POS onto a low loader.
The list continues more and more as people who didn't realize, as she says, are handing them back for gas cars and the forecourts are getting fuller by the minute of unwanted EV's.

If someone is living with this level of fear then transportation is probably the least of their problems.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

The Green Insanity isn't just spackling intermittent wind and solar on top of the grid, they are dismantling the grid it is being spackled onto!

Environmentalists Suing to Shut Down Power Plant Providing 9% of California’s Power
You would think that, given the cost of living and the exodus already underway from the Golden State, nobody would be trying to make California more expensive than it already is.
According to a Wednesday report from The Associated Press, an environmentalist group called Friends of the Earth is suing the U.S. Department of Energy over its decision to award funds to keep California's last remaining nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, open.
The DOE awarded $1 billion to keep the plant open past its planned 2025 closure date after Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom said shuttering Diablo Canyon, which provides 9 percent of the state's power, would leave California vulnerable to blackouts, according to regional conservative outlet The Center Square.

California the "Crash Test Dummy" of stupid ideas is always on the cutting edge of dumb.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Environmentalists Suing to Shut Down Power Plant Providing 9% of California’s Power
You would think that, given the cost of living and the exodus already underway from the Golden State, nobody would be trying to make California more expensive than it already is.
According to a Wednesday report from The Associated Press, an environmentalist group called Friends of the Earth is suing the U.S. Department of Energy over its decision to award funds to keep California's last remaining nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, open.
The DOE awarded $1 billion to keep the plant open past its planned 2025 closure date after Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom said shuttering Diablo Canyon, which provides 9 percent of the state's power, would leave California vulnerable to blackouts, according to regional conservative outlet The Center Square.

California the "Crash Test Dummy" of stupid ideas is always on the cutting edge of dumb.

I don't live in California. And at some level this is funny as hell.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Environmentalists Suing to Shut Down Power Plant Providing 9% of California’s Power
You would think that, given the cost of living and the exodus already underway from the Golden State, nobody would be trying to make California more expensive than it already is.
According to a Wednesday report from The Associated Press, an environmentalist group called Friends of the Earth is suing the U.S. Department of Energy over its decision to award funds to keep California's last remaining nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, open.
The DOE awarded $1 billion to keep the plant open past its planned 2025 closure date after Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom said shuttering Diablo Canyon, which provides 9 percent of the state's power, would leave California vulnerable to blackouts, according to regional conservative outlet The Center Square.

California the "Crash Test Dummy" of stupid ideas is always on the cutting edge of dumb.

Create a state/country with no cars no buses only cycles and no electricity or gas and no meat etc send all these folk there. Instead of turning us into them why don't we let them be themselves in their own wonderland..they shouldn't last very long.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by RM7

Well, if you want to hold people responsible for ****ing around with their phones while they are driving and "enforce our existing laws", you hopefully support sticking it to the driver that was ****ing off while they were supposed to be driving/paying attention.

Last night I loaded the dishwasher and put the pod in the soap holder, but got distracted and didn't hit the start button. Woke up in the middle of the night. Remembered I didn't start the machine. On they way past the kitchen I hit the start button. Went back to bed...

Once a function or activity is automated, human nature pretty much dictates that the function or activity will not be supervised. Same goes for driving. Partially automate it and attention levels drop to near zero. Isn't it easier to drive a car than watch it drive? It is for me.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Environmentalists Suing to Shut Down Power Plant Providing 9% of California’s Power
You would think that, given the cost of living and the exodus already underway from the Golden State, nobody would be trying to make California more expensive than it already is.
According to a Wednesday report from The Associated Press, an environmentalist group called Friends of the Earth is suing the U.S. Department of Energy over its decision to award funds to keep California's last remaining nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, open.
The DOE awarded $1 billion to keep the plant open past its planned 2025 closure date after Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom said shuttering Diablo Canyon, which provides 9 percent of the state's power, would leave California vulnerable to blackouts, according to regional conservative outlet The Center Square.

California the "Crash Test Dummy" of stupid ideas is always on the cutting edge of dumb.

Let's be clear though, the state of California is not the one trying to close the nuclear plant, it's Friends of the Earth which is headquartered in DC. This lawsuit isn't going anywhere and neither is the plant so this story is meaningless to this EV thread.