Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[tahoeacr]

In 2021 the Dixie fire in California burned 963,309 acres at a cost of $1.15 billion. In just 24 hours it put out more emissions than all the vehicles in California do in a full year. That year there was 8,835 wild fires for over 2.5 million acres burned in California. Seems like California should start there. Just sayin.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Nothing to see here move along
Tesla catches fire at charging station
NEW ORLEANS — Early Sunday morning, the New Orleans Fire Department responded to a fire at the corner of Caton and St. Bernard. When they arrived, they found a vehicle fire.
The vehicle was parked next to an EV charging station.
Fire officials said when they arrived, no one was near the vehicle. Video from the scene shows an unrecognizable Model X Tesla and a vehicle behind it that was also burned.

That will buff right out

''The fire is still under investigation''. Seems this is a computer generated like response from reporters on any EV fire now when the cause is as plain as the driven snow.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

''The fire is still under investigation''. Seems this is a computer generated like response from reporters on any EV fire now when the cause is as plain as the driven snow.

Yes we have entering into time when the media will report the "official narrative" and not report the truth. There is no problem with the COVID vaccine, the Russians are losing the war, EV battery fires don't happen what ever our masters want us to know.

[tahoeacr]

Funny

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Yes we have entering into time when the media will report the "official narrative" and not report the truth. There is no problem with the COVID vaccine, the Russians are losing the war, EV battery fires don't happen what ever our masters want us to know.

Geoff has a more detailed insight into the Felicity Ace fire disaster and some others.

[murderspice]

I hesitate to add to the demagoguery, but I’m surprised no one has mentioned Angela Chao yet.

[crAbb]

Oh dear.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-finds.html

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by murderspice

I hesitate to add to the demagoguery, but I’m surprised no one has mentioned Angela Chao yet.

I bet someone suggests it isn't safe to back your car into a lake at night and that this is a unique problem with EVs.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by crAbb

Oh dear.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-finds.html

Two years ago:
But I'm saving the planet
One year ago:
But I'm saving money
Now:
But it has 1000hp and goes like stink
Future:
I can't believe I fell for that grift.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Geoff has a more detailed insight into the Felicity Ace fire disaster and some others.

Think there's going to be a lot more Porsche EV fires...

Came across a YT video by a UK based owner of a Porsche Taycan who wants to get back into a ICE Porsche. But he is finding the trade in value of his Taycan is $0 (well, make that £0). Dealer doesn't want the car. Claims it has a number of the same model year in stock and the newer Taycan outshines the older model and there is no demand for the older but still new Taycan.

The Taycan owner contacted a number of businesses to get a quote for selling his car and the best offer was just about 1/2 of what he paid for the car (about £120K).

A search of YT turned up a number of videos of US YTers that report the same thing here in the US.

Doesn't give me any joy in knowing this. I had considered a Taycan for the EV experience.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I bet someone suggests it isn't safe to back your car into a lake at night and that this is a unique problem with EVs.

Some times it's not the car it's the base of folks who the car is marketed too.
Audi sold the 5000 to upscale college educated (egg heads) They couldn't tell a brake pedal from the gas pedal and thus you had "Sudden unintended acceleration" or as I like to say, too stupid to drive.
As for the EV's well lets just say that for the most part these are not car people and would be better served with public transportation. Present
company exempted.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Geoff has a more detailed insight into the Felicity Ace fire disaster and some others.

So if a ship carrying about 2,200 tons of fuel and 2,200 tons of oil carrying 4,000 vehicles, burns for days and sinks into the archipelago that is home to coral reefs, tuna, sharks and dolphins is that bad for the environment? Just asking for a friend?

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

EV values during Covid to the moon. You wonder how many want out but are buried under a mountain of negative equity after trade values collapsed.

A lot I bet. Also my info is a number of EVs are leased. I wonder what effect a drop in EV value has on the lease deal? (I have no leasing experience.)

The UK YTer had planned on trading in the Taycan for an ICE Porsche at the Porsche dealer and having what he still owed for the Taycan rolled into purchase of the ICE Porsche.

But that fell through when he learned the Porsche dealer didn't want the Taycan as a trade in.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Think there's going to be a lot more Porsche EV fires...

Came across a YT video by a UK based owner of a Porsche Taycan who wants to get back into a ICE Porsche. But he is finding the trade in value of his Taycan is $0 (well, make that £0). Dealer doesn't want the car. Claims it has a number of the same model year in stock and the newer Taycan outshines the older model and there is no demand for the older but still new Taycan.

The Taycan owner contacted a number of businesses to get a quote for selling his car and the best offer was just about 1/2 of what he paid for the car (about £120K).

A search of YT turned up a number of videos of US YTers that report the same thing here in the US.

Doesn't give me any joy in knowing this. I had considered a Taycan for the EV experience.

Shame he didn't come on here first and check it out with experts like Car-Addicted or some other fact based sites before purchasing the Porsche.
There's a chap called MacMaster who does regular videos on his own Taycan EV calling out the problems it has had and the money he's lost on it in the short period of time owning it.

[M5Rick]

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by LogitechFans

As much as I wanted to embrace the electric vehicle revolution, my personal experience left me feeling disappointed.

I don't think the basic technology is without merit but it has been pushed too hard before it has had time to develop. Some of us are old enough to remember the hand held calculator, when I was in college the rich kids could buy a Ti calculator for $400.00 that today that same feature list plus more can be had for $12.00. Point is that EV's are more a technology purchase than a pure transportation solution. Technology will move forward and early adopters will pay the price. If I put my Ray Kurzweil hat on, I would think we will see EV's with environmentally more friendly batteries, quicker charging and longer ranges without as much battery degradation and a reliable recycling option in the next ten years. Maybe the bigger question is how much damage to the EV concept will be done by the forced acceptance?

[Pauly Wauly]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

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A couple of days ago, someone posted on rennlist that he had been trying to sell a brand new 2023 Taycan Turbo S with zero miles that is still at the dealer and was never put on the road and he is having a really hard time selling it. He's already @90k off MSRP, and he said not a single bite.

[Car-Addicted]

This is a new one:
Stalled electric car sparked crash that sent truck dangling off bridge
March 7, 2024
A stalled electric car caused the chain reaction crash that ended in the dramatic rescue of a trucker hanging off of a bridge on Friday.
The Friday, March 1st accident happened on the Clark Memorial Bridge in Louisville, Kentucky.
According to WHAS 11, motorist Glenna Hess had just purchased an electric car the day before and was driving along the bridge when it suddenly stopped.
“I’ve driven electric cars for 10 years. I was noticing there was fluctuation in the electrical system. The power would be at 90% then to 80. As I was coming back from Jeffersonville, it said I had a 24-mile range, which was fine,” Hess said. “I just wanted to get across the bridge and call AAA. I was going to take it back to Carvana.”


But the “the motor just came to a dead stop on the 2nd Street Bridge,” she said. “I had blinkers on, called AAA, who alerted police. Everyone was fine.
Hess was told by Carvana that they will not allow her to return the vehicle because it has been damaged.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

This is a new one:
Stalled electric car sparked crash that sent truck dangling off bridge
March 7, 2024
A stalled electric car caused the chain reaction crash that ended in the dramatic rescue of a trucker hanging off of a bridge on Friday.
The Friday, March 1st accident happened on the Clark Memorial Bridge in Louisville, Kentucky.
According to WHAS 11, motorist Glenna Hess had just purchased an electric car the day before and was driving along the bridge when it suddenly stopped.
“I’ve driven electric cars for 10 years. I was noticing there was fluctuation in the electrical system. The power would be at 90% then to 80. As I was coming back from Jeffersonville, it said I had a 24-mile range, which was fine,” Hess said. “I just wanted to get across the bridge and call AAA. I was going to take it back to Carvana.”


But the “the motor just came to a dead stop on the 2nd Street Bridge,” she said. “I had blinkers on, called AAA, who alerted police. Everyone was fine.
Hess was told by Carvana that they will not allow her to return the vehicle because it has been damaged.

Come on. ICE cars can stop without warning too. You guys are really digging hard and deep now.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Pauly Wauly

A couple of days ago, someone posted on rennlist that he had been trying to sell a brand new 2023 Taycan Turbo S with zero miles that is still at the dealer and was never put on the road and he is having a really hard time selling it. He's already @90k off MSRP, and he said not a single bite.

If it was a 911 with 90k off..

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

This is a new one:
Stalled electric car sparked crash that sent truck dangling off bridge
March 7, 2024
A stalled electric car caused the chain reaction crash that ended in the dramatic rescue of a trucker hanging off of a bridge on Friday.
The Friday, March 1st accident happened on the Clark Memorial Bridge in Louisville, Kentucky.
According to WHAS 11, motorist Glenna Hess had just purchased an electric car the day before and was driving along the bridge when it suddenly stopped.
“I’ve driven electric cars for 10 years. I was noticing there was fluctuation in the electrical system. The power would be at 90% then to 80. As I was coming back from Jeffersonville, it said I had a 24-mile range, which was fine,” Hess said. “I just wanted to get across the bridge and call AAA. I was going to take it back to Carvana.”


But the “the motor just came to a dead stop on the 2nd Street Bridge,” she said. “I had blinkers on, called AAA, who alerted police. Everyone was fine.
Hess was told by Carvana that they will not allow her to return the vehicle because it has been damaged.

Serious pucker factor on the truck driver's part.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Come on. ICE cars can stop without warning too. You guys are really digging hard and deep now.

I made no comments relating to this being a EV issue. But I did high light that Carvana was not taking any responsibility.
I'm sure that more than a few ICE cars have conked out on bridges. So if I take your lead here the moral of the story is EV's can be just as unreliable as ICE cars.