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04-24-2017, 11:38 PM | #46 |
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04-25-2017, 01:20 AM | #47 |
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Am I slightly annoyed that it beat the M3/4 on the ring? I gotta admit, yup I am. But we all know that ring times don't necessarily translate to real world performance. I don't plan to race any Type R's in my lifetime anyhow. It will be interesting to see who actually ponies up $40k+ for a civic though. Rich kids and track rats probably, not that there is anything wrong with this being a strong alternative to the MX-5 track car for the masses. Kudos to Honda for stepping up, let's hope they don't disappoint us when they actually go on sale. They already botched the NSX by pricing it out of the market, I hope they don't make the same mistake here.
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04-25-2017, 01:21 AM | #48 |
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Impressive, but not especially interesting to me, because they are fighting physics to do it and most likely with tires that'll last a lap or two (especially given the braking tricks that are usually used here). I'm sure there are good things about the car, but I'd rather start with something that isn't fighting itself nearly as much, even if it is slower. I feel the same way about 911s, nice, but not impressive anymore because it appears the only way to make them as fast around turns as better laid-out chassis is to simply make them wider and wider with tricks like 4 wheel steering, to offset the engine being behind the rear axle. At some point, the design gives way to physics, but up until that point, you're spending a lot of money, time and R&D to make something inherently inferior "fast". If people want it, great I guess, but I'd rather they put that time and effort into a BRZ type car.
In other words, they've maxed this out, it's a snarling monster trying to tear itself apart to accomplish this feat. Start with a more optimized chassis and you'll be better off, modify said chassis to the same extent and you'll probably smash this "record" too.
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04-25-2017, 07:21 AM | #49 | |
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F1 cars run absurd rear weight balances, especially on tracks where braking giving more advantage than handling. I've argued for years that the Cayman is a better chassis for Porsche to develop than the 911, but even 3.8L conversion Caymans can't outbrake a 911 or make up lap times against the seemingly backwards design. And a FM design certainly isn't the answer. Sure they're fun, but if a TdF Ferrari can't outrun a 911, what's Porsche going to do to make that setup magically faster? |
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04-25-2017, 08:41 AM | #50 |
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not a fan of the design new gen type r.
but this one yes! |
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04-25-2017, 09:01 AM | #51 |
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For the ones that don't like it or find it too expensive, if you would be in the market for a car that has to do both day to day duty and be a track warrior on week end what else would you choose? It has to cost more or less the same be able to be driven easily in the snow, and offer seating for 5 passengers and their luggages. I'm waiting for the answer because I will be in this market during the next year.
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04-25-2017, 09:08 AM | #52 |
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Ahh...so tell me why Porsche uses a mid-engine configuration for their hypercars? Even the 911 RSR http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...rank-walliser/
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I'd say an STI, Focus RS, Camaro V6 1LE, and many other cars would be just as if not more practical and for the most part better chassis to start from. Plenty of cars can be driven in the snow with winter tires just fine (just got my summers back on last weekend).
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You want a track warrior and are worried about your warranty? Sounds like you want more like a street car you can track rather than a track warrior you can street. That's a whole different ballgame. A truly track ready Type R will still need modifications. You think that Type R will be good in the snow? I don't think so.
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04-26-2017, 02:35 PM | #62 |
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This is FTW!
The new CTR is not the kind of car I would buy at this point of my life, but give Honda some credits to crank out some real sporty cars. New S2K is another story though. It will be a very interesting car. |
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The new Civic Type R is super ricey and flashy.
At the end of the day, it's still a freaking civic. Add on top that it will be a $35k+ civic and pandora's box opens. At this point in my life, the Civic Type R is pretty much against everything I want. I want a weekend car that sits in the garage. It's not really a weekend car. I want a daily driver in the driveway. It's not purely a daily driver that I can share driving duties with my wife. It pretty much checks no boxes except... O - appeals to me I have a strong want for some reason. ???? |
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04-27-2017, 02:37 PM | #66 |
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Cars like this have been beating or equalling m3's and porsches on the ring for quite some time now (5 years or so)
Everyone that has been there (or in the villages around it) may think he's currently in france because the amount of renault meganes/renault garages is immense. Also the leon cupra is popular. All cars not sold in the us, but very very popular and very fast on track. These cars (these versions at least) are designed as track performance cars from factory because there is this insane war between some manufactureres to see who's the fastest on the nordschleife, and that makes these cars very fast. Its like a bmw form the era when /M stood for 'Motorsport' and not /Marketing (think e36 m3 eurospec) These cars have well tuned suspension, quality brakes, low in weight, very fast, and less than half the price of an M4 and just as fast or faster on a track. And that with over 100 hp less. That means they're extremely good in corners and on braking. BMW could take an example to that.
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