What exactly is a "prop firearm"?

[Cyn-BMW]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

I read that too. Also wondering why Baldwin pointed the gun and shot at someone who wasn’t an actor. They obviously weren’t shooting a scene so what gives? Were they screwing around?

It kinda sounds like a lot of people are going to be in trouble for this. The ball was dropped on many levels. What a shit show. There’s just to many possibilities of what could have happened to speculate. The union dispute makes it look very suspicious. It wouldn’t be the first or last time a union killed someone.

[Cyn-BMW]

I fully expect Baldwin to go off the deep end after this. He’s been close before.

[dtox9]

Here's a pretty thorough description of the traditional situation / for those that aren't savy to the firearm and/or entertainment industries when their paths cross:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...ts/6142800001/

[M5Rick]

Question is will Baldwin be charged eventually.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Question is will Baldwin be charged eventually.

I have read that charges will depend on his contract. As an actor it won’t/shouldn’t be charged, but as an executive producer he may be.

[Cyn-BMW]

Originally Posted by KenB925

I have read that charges will depend on his contract. As an actor it won’t/shouldn’t be charged, but as an executive producer he may be.

His contract has nothing to do about being charged in a crime. His actions will dictate a crime charge. At least three people should be charged for negligent homicide.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KenB925

I have read that charges will depend on his contract. As an actor it won’t/shouldn’t be charged, but as an executive producer he may be.

Someone said a non-actor was the victim and someone else was wounded? with the weapon discharged flagrantly, in the end it's up to the user to check what they are using. The whole scenario there looked like a s*it show from the start and the number one rule is not to hold the finger on trigger until needed.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Someone said a non-actor was the victim and someone else was wounded? with the weapon discharged flagrantly, in the end it's up to the user to check what they are using. The whole scenario there looked like a s*it show from the start and the number one rule is not to hold the finger on trigger until needed.

I'm just skimming but has anyone asked this question: Why was he pointing a gun at the crew in the first place?

It wasn't a misfire as it is being characterized. A misfire is when there is a mechanical issue with a firearm which causes the firearm to NOT discharge. (NRA)

This firearm worked exactly as it should have. The fault lay with Baldwin, IMHO.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'm just skimming but has anyone asked this question: Why was he pointing a gun at the crew in the first place?

It wasn't a misfire as it is being characterized. A misfire is when there is a mechanical issue with a firearm which causes the firearm to NOT discharge. (NRA)

This firearm worked exactly as it should have. The fault lay with Baldwin, IMHO.

Exactly friend,Baldwin should be in custody.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'm just skimming but has anyone asked this question: Why was he pointing a gun at the crew in the first place?

It wasn't a misfire as it is being characterized. A misfire is when there is a mechanical issue with a firearm which causes the firearm to NOT discharge. (NRA)

This firearm worked exactly as it should have. The fault lay with Baldwin, IMHO.

So I read somewhere that the scene he was filming required him to point the firearm at the camera and shoot, this might explain how the cinematographer was struck. If the director was in close proximity which is possible that may explain how he was hit.

I think all of this will come out once the police complete a thorough investigation. The thing folks need to remember is these things take time, and given the high profile nature and the fact that everyone involved is accessible ie nobody fled the scene, the police will take their time.

Baldwin could have some problems here. I don't know what the protocol on a movie set are but I'd like to think that everyone who handles a firearm is responsible for its safe handling. The first rule of firearm safety is to assume every firearm is loaded until you prove to yourself that it is not. Having said that, this is a movie set where the nature of the film may require that firearms are pointed and discharge in what would otherwise be considered an unsafe direction and method. I'd like to think that everyone has cursory training as to how to handle a firearm safely and what the difference between live ammunition and blanks are. I'd also like to think that when handling a firearm the actor in question would check when it is handed to him or her.

There is no reason in any fathomable way that there should be any live ammunition on any movie set.

So, liability. Clearly there are numerous questions to be answered. But how did live ammunition find it's way to the set, and into that gun. Who handled it, who brought it etc. Why didn't Baldwin check the gun when it was handed to him? etc.

The other issue that might cause Baldwin more grief is as executive producer he will have some responsibility over everything happening on the set, both civilly and possibly criminally.

Just my two cents.

[6oclockshadow]

Everyone is lawyering-up. So likely won't really know what happened.

[dtox9]

OK - so I do understand that not everybody is aware of the terminology around ammunition, firearms, etc.... (hence somebody loading a 'clip' into a handgun).

And I don't expect every journalist to know everything about anything, either.
BUT - what happened to editors and proof readers?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...nd/8560736002/

{The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said Wednesday that a spent shell casing taken from "Rust" director Joel Souza's shoulder is believed to be a "live round" fired by Alec Baldwin on the set of the Western that ended in tragedy last week.}

Now I certainly HOPE this is the journalist's rendition of the Sheriff's Office statement, and not an actual quote. Coming from the Sheriff's office / THAT would be horrendous, as they most certainly know the differences and meanings of the terminologies.

==

For those who may not know - the 'shell casing' is the brass case that holds the gun powder and primer charge / it remains inside the firearm after the projectile (bullet) has been discharged. The projectile itself would be recovered from the director's shoulder, presumably after it passed through the cinematographer - - not actually the 'shell casing'.

Maybe nit-picky / so be it - - It just hurts my eyes to read / that's all....

[EnVe46]

Id be curious to know if actors and anyone on set that will come in contact with a weapon, goes through any training or safety class prior to production. Im sure certain lawyers involved are equally interested in this. My personal opinion of Baldwin aside, which is not great, when handling a weapon you are ultimately responsible for it and its actions. Any person who has the slightest bit of gun training would know this. You should ALWAYS treat a weapon as if it loaded even if you know it isn't. An unloaded weapon should always be pointed down range and never at someone. The few weapons training courses Ive attended, this was in safety debrief. Press check your weapon downrange, even when unloaded, treat as it is loaded. This event shows gross negligence on several levels.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dtox9

OK - so I do understand that not everybody is aware of the terminology around ammunition, firearms, etc.... (hence somebody loading a 'clip' into a handgun).

And I don't expect every journalist to know everything about anything, either.
BUT - what happened to editors and proof readers?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...nd/8560736002/

{The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said Wednesday that a spent shell casing taken from "Rust" director Joel Souza's shoulder is believed to be a "live round" fired by Alec Baldwin on the set of the Western that ended in tragedy last week.}

Now I certainly HOPE this is the journalist's rendition of the Sheriff's Office statement, and not an actual quote. Coming from the Sheriff's office / THAT would be horrendous, as they most certainly know the differences and meanings of the terminologies.

==

For those who may not know - the 'shell casing' is the brass case that holds the gun powder and primer charge / it remains inside the firearm after the projectile (bullet) has been discharged. The projectile itself would be recovered from the director's shoulder, presumably after it passed through the cinematographer - - not actually the 'shell casing'.

Maybe nit-picky / so be it - - It just hurts my eyes to read / that's all....

Sheriff got a bit tongue tied in this high profile incident and obviously meant a round from a shell casing.

[Captain Blood]

Alec Baldwin film tragedy: Actor fired live round, police say https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59068976

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'm just skimming but has anyone asked this question: Why was he pointing a gun at the crew in the first place?

It wasn't a misfire as it is being characterized. A misfire is when there is a mechanical issue with a firearm which causes the firearm to NOT discharge. (NRA)

This firearm worked exactly as it should have. The fault lay with Baldwin, IMHO.

Reports indicate he was pointing at the camera. If he was told it was cold, as in not functioning, it didn't have a live round, why would he charged?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Reports indicate he was pointing at the camera. If he was told it was cold, as in not functioning, it didn't have a live round, why would he charged?

Pointing at camera...camera wasn't hit? It doesn't matter if he was told to do something.
1. Who handed him the gun saying it was round free and safe.
2. Baldwin is not a kid and failure for him to inspect the clip contents and handling the weapon make him culpable.

[CTinline-six]

An accident is when a kid mishandles a loaded weapon, or somehow a gun is dropped and it fires and the bullet strikes someone. Baldwin pointed the weapon at someone and pulled the trigger. By his negligence, it happened to be loaded with a live round when he did so. The first rule in firearm safety is not to point the weapon at anyone even if you believe it to be unloaded.



...And I don't even own any guns.


Negligence is the reason this woman is dead, she didn't get struck by a stray bullet.

[bayarea328xit]

Halyna Hutchins husband is an M&A lawyer with Latham & Watkins in Los Angeles:

Reuters Link

There is going to be no shortage of attorneys involved in this mess.

[zx10guy]

Confirmed....live round from a Colt 45.

[6oclockshadow]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Reports indicate he was pointing at the camera. If he was told it was cold, as in not functioning, it didn't have a live round, why would he charged?

Because HE should have checked it, and NOT taken the word of someone else. It's the first rule of gun handling.

[dtox9]

OK - maybe I feel a little bit better now... LOL...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...nd/8560736002/

{{Corrections & clarifications: A previous version of this story incorrectly stated details about bullet casings from the incident.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said Wednesday that the "actual lead projectile that was fired" has been recovered from "Rust" director Joel Souza's shoulder and is believed to be a from a "live round" discharged by Alec Baldwin on the set of the Western that ended in tragedy last week.}}