The Secret BMW M Garage CSL Special - Parts 1 & 2 (M5 CSL, V8 M3 CSL, M2 CSL)

MadBimmeRad · 06-12-2022, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

It's amazing to me how well the E46 design has stood the test of time. It's as beautiful to me today as it was when I first saw it…if not more so.

Oh yeah, and let's put a V8 in it

Wouldn't that have made the car too front-heavy with a V8, for the perfect weight distribution?

WAB · 06-12-2022, 08:41 AM

Every time I see "We are M" my head plays the "We are Farmers" insurance tune. C'mon BMW

10" · 06-12-2022, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexvier

There's going to be a 1M CSL….🤞

there was never—was never any time!

but there was a 1M prototype
with a V8 in it, as I was told
by BMW AG themselves
they felt the N54 suited
the character of the 1M more.

yousefnjr · 06-12-2022, 12:31 PM

Cool that they’ve been making these cars all along, even if they haven’t made it to production. Plenty being said of their efforts lately but it’s clear to me they still know how to make that secret sauce

Poochie · 06-12-2022, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Cool that they've been making these cars all along, even if they haven't made it to production. Plenty being said of their efforts lately but it's clear to me they still know how to make that secret sauce

Technically, the M engineers could build themselves their very own "The Homer" but doesn't mean they'll recoup the cost of development and production in the public market..

Neptune7 · 06-12-2022, 05:37 PM

I'd love to see the 7 series outfitted with BMW's V16 engine from 1987.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...-goldfish/amp/

MDM · 06-12-2022, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

I miss the DCT and would rather have that than the ZF8

The ZF8 in the new M4CSL actually shifts faster than the "old" DCT of the past due to software upgrade. There is a video covering this.

BobsM3Coupe · 06-12-2022, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

I miss the DCT and would rather have that than the ZF8

Not me. The DCT was too herky-jerky in stop and go traffic. Just can't beat the ZF8 for all around goodness.
The way BMW tunes it, it is THE BEST automatic transmission out there.

BobsM3Coupe · 06-12-2022, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WAB

Every time I see "We are M" my head plays the "We are Farmers" insurance tune. C'mon BMW

"We are Marshall"

AndroidRobot · 06-12-2022, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

Not me. The DCT was too herky-jerky in stop and go traffic. Just can't beat the ZF8 for all around goodness.
The way BMW tunes it, it is THE BEST automatic transmission out there.

Wholeheartedly disagree. The PDK is a smoother transmission, better gear changes in sport/+ and perfectly fine around town. It's not jerky at all. BMW's DCT just required you to drive it a bit differently and it was fine but I undertands it's not for everyone. The ZF8 has too many compromises for me in a sports car. If the M3 didn't have a ZF8 I would've kept it.

MadBimmeRad · 06-12-2022, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Poochie

Quote:

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Cool that they've been making these cars all along, even if they haven't made it to production. Plenty being said of their efforts lately but it's clear to me they still know how to make that secret sauce

Technically, the M engineers could build themselves their very own "The Homer" but doesn't mean they'll recoup the cost of development and production in the public market..

https://youtu.be/WPc-VEqBPHI

They did, and called it, the 1M

LemonOne · 06-13-2022, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

Not me. The DCT was too herky-jerky in stop and go traffic. Just can't beat the ZF8 for all around goodness.
The way BMW tunes it, it is THE BEST automatic transmission out there.

I don't why people are keep saying DCTs and SMGs are jerky.
There is a way to drive these things smoothly!
Typically, people with no manual experience say this.

BobsM3Coupe · 06-13-2022, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonOne

I don't why people are keep saying DCTs and SMGs are jerky.
There is a way to drive these things smoothly!
Typically, people with no manual experience say this.

I certainly have owned/raced plenty of muscle cars with manual transmissions. I also have driven many 18 wheelers with 10, 13, 15 and 18 speed transmissions.
So I'm well aware of how to operate a manual transmission.

CanAutM3 · 06-13-2022, 08:52 PM

Some more views and details of that M2CSL prototype

MadBimmeRad · 06-13-2022, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Some more views and details of that M2CSL prototype

https://youtu.be/pNJokoum5aY

I guess if they release everything, we wouldn't be able to salivate like this; thank you for sharing

Gonven · 06-14-2022, 08:47 AM

Someone should ask to engineers, more than the design, transmission, etc, something about the sound. They just lost the pure M sound, even with restrictions they have today, i think they can do better

JAhmed · 06-14-2022, 11:01 PM

9k RPM S85 + DCT = YES PLEASE

GoneIn4Secs · 06-14-2022, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MDM

The ZF8 in the new M4CSL actually shifts faster than the "old" DCT of the past due to software upgrade. There is a video covering this.

Please post the vid, and how fast are the downshifts?

The dct in m2, does a kickback feel , makes it feel like its shifting hard, your car jerks in sport, sport+ makes it really fun to drive at speed!

Mr.blue · 06-15-2022, 12:03 AM

Love the V10 M5! It used to be my dream car.

Mani59 · 06-15-2022, 12:11 PM

The next episode.

Hit_Apex · 06-15-2022, 12:15 PM

Interesting, this M4 CSL has red stripe delete and power M buckets.

mbanck · 06-15-2022, 02:42 PM

Part 2 is out now, featuring an F87 CSL prototype (including some driving shots) and the G82 CSL:

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