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08-06-2018, 06:40 AM | #45 |
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In the US it's easy to find 2006 997s in the $30k-50k range.
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08-06-2018, 11:49 AM | #49 |
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I was able to test drive a 997.1 C2S this weekend (2005 with ~70,000km). I'm not sure if it is characteristic of 997.1s, but the interior did not age well as the plastics were extremely worn.
Nevertheless, I loved the car. I wish I could own both a 911 and an M3 simultaneously. Each has its pros and cons. The most attractive thing about the 911 was the weight - which contributes to the car feeling more like a true "sports car" as it is a lot more nimble. This particularly 2005 was almost double the price of my 2008 M3. I guess people must really love 997s to justify that kind of coin, or they fail to realize how great of a bargain the E9x M3 is . |
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I was surprised how agricultural it was, hard plastics, really sparse, i mean it had aircon and nav but that's it, materials were very low rent ... hard steering wheel etc. But dat engine! I mean wowsers, what a mill, even in base guise. Such a noise, so sweet, mechanical harmony it was. PDK perfect for me, I can let it do it's business or take over whenever I like. Had the 6 year old in the back, went under a bridge and down shifted three gears and he was enthralled, absolutely loved it. REALLY reminded me of my 1971 Alfa Giulia coupe, similar size and similarly stiff on crappy roads. Big difference being the engine of course. I would seriously, seriously consider a 2013+ 917 series Carrera S vert. Seriously. Oh and here's my note to the rental place post rental ....... "I'll pay $19 for the extra mileage but in reality the car has it's faults. Firstly i was told is was a Carrera S, when it's the entry level Carrera. More importantly, the tyres on the vehicle are not road worthy. The rears are really bad, I measured them a 2 to 3 32nds of tread which is below road worthiness. The fronts are absolutely illegal, virtually zero tread and crows feet all over them which means they are the original tyres it came with from new some 7 years ago and the tyre has hardened. I was very conscience of this going through corners, had to temper things quite a bit because I was afraid of binning it. TBH the tyres represent a pretty serious liability concern, if it rains this car will be seriously tricky to drive, if someone crashes it and is hurt i suspect your insurance agency will start asking questions about the condition of the tyres. I will do this again though, enjoyed it, but next time i will inspect the vehicle before renting". |
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08-07-2018, 03:43 PM | #51 |
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I agree the 991 interior is a lot better than the 997. But go sit in a 996 and the 997 is 10x better. It is all relative.
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I would 100% agree. I think the premise, however, is that it is ridiculous that an interior of such poor quality is in a vehicle that cost so much new. The level it wears out over time is abysmal as well. Again, I love Porsche, but just don't see where the money is going for these things, and the recent huge jump in used 996 and 997 prices just baffles me. I mean, I understand the rationale of why the prices are what they are, I just don't agree with it - but, the markets have spoken, so hey, what do I know.
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08-07-2018, 04:16 PM | #53 | |
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08-07-2018, 04:26 PM | #54 | |
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That's just materials. The Porsche design has come a long way. I think they really only started to pay attention to designing nice interiors from the 997 and up.
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Quality to me is synonymous with reliability. It doesn't mean higher end materials, it means things that don't break down, whether they are mechanical or just trim. Higher end materials means higher end materials, but if it's high quality, I expect it to hold up for years.
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Was looking at 911s for a brief moment before I purchased the M3.
991.1 base model with a manual might have been a good investment, but are hard to find even here in Europe (... at a decent price at least). Good examples of 997.2 are even more overpriced, 996s are OKAY price-wise, but tend to have a lot of maintenance issues. Bottom line: 911s are worth what people pay for them, I couldn't justify to buy one. The E92 was a more appealing car for my personal situation. |
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A mid to low mile 2013 F10 M5 is now the same price as a 2013 M3 !! Both around the low 40k mark. M4's and M2's will follow that path. There really isn't anything special about them or the N55/S55 motor.
modern cars are getting too refined, turbos are blunting the throttle response and sound. sure turbo cars can be made fast and put up numbers but in my opinion they just don't feel as good to drive. I think a lot of the price jumps you are seeing in older BMW M cars and Porsche's reflect this. NA cars are dying and people are paying a lot to get there hands on them.
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All I can say is I bought my 991.1S four and a half years ago with 11k on it and I don't plan on ever selling it. I've never had a car this long, I'm at 66k and the older it gets the better it gets.
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The 997 generation of the 911 is my absolute favorite. Very mechanical, but also capable of having some modern creature comforts, like Bluetooth and a basic navigation. 997.1s can be had for low to mid 30k. The updated engine and interior of the 997.2 can be had for 40-50k.
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If you are going to drive it everyday, get the M2, M3, or M4 (new or gently used). If its going to be an extra car, get the 997 as they are likely done depreciating (I'm guessing we will see prices drop with the next notable stock market and/or housing market correction). Mileage kills Porsches on resale, so if you are putting on 10k+ mi a year, you will still see depreciation. FYI, I had a 997.2 base 6-speed as a weekend car, and decided to sell it and get a 2018 M2 to daily drive for the same money. While the 997.2 had a level of specialness and I loved the classic 911 look, I don't think the M2 is any worse of a car. The M2 is ~10% or 300lbs heavier but it has 20hp and 55 ft/lb more and my butt dyno says the M2 is faster in most situations. The M2 hides its weight well. The only things I miss from driving the 911 are nimbleness (largely due to shorter wheelbase) and the feeling of how planted the rear is when turning/accelerating. In my opinion, the M2 is 95% of the driving experience in a newer more daily drivable car. Last edited by Blurbo311; 08-14-2018 at 05:33 PM.. |
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