F1 2023: US GP - Austin (Oct 22)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by 3798j

^^ "Utilising an image featuring Max Verstappen and Daniel Ricciardo instead of current driver Perez, the post ignited outrage, particularly among Mexican media, casting shadows on the team's relationships."

"Red Bull's drivers are Max Verstappen and Checo Perez. Well, to celebrate Spa staying on the calendar until 2025, the team has used an image showing Daniel Ricciardo!", declared LaSexta, a Spanish TV channel, which described the act as exhibiting "total contempt" towards the Mexican driver, Sergio Perez."

Fixed !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Fixed !

He's waiting

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

...the field is the closest it has EVER been in F1 history where a small mistake could mean going from P1 to P10 or worse. It's not a massively dominant car like the MB car where it was 1 second clear in quali pace and 2 seconds clear in race pace.

We must be watching two different championships. Here on Earth 1, Verstappen is winning by 20+ seconds like a boss and laughing at the checkered flag. And RBR have won all but one grand prix (and a sprint race). No, not dominant at all.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Who can forget the 2016 Barcelona one, what a complete 'coq au vin' from HAM even seing ROS's battery charge light blinking and doing a suicide move.
Win number one stamped

To add in my post #36 :

49 wins , 93 (!) podiums and 3 World Titles in a row !

#UnLeashTheLion !

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

We must be watching two different championships. Here on Earth 1, Verstappen is winning by 20+ seconds like a boss and laughing at the checkered flag. And RBR have won all but one grand prix (and a sprint race). No, not dominant at all.

When they start locking out P1 & P2 in most races by 1 second over the rest of the field and lapping everyone in the race, then we can call it dominant. Other than that, it's down to the pilot, otherwise Per would be close. The only thing is, Max destroys anyone whereas Ham was never quite good enough to put much distance between himself and maybe average at best drivers like Ros and Bot at MB - hence all of the calls to 'not race', 'invert', etc.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

We must be watching two different championships. Here on Earth 1, Verstappen is winning by 20+ seconds like a boss and laughing at the checkered flag. And RBR have won all but one grand prix (and a sprint race). No, not dominant at all.

The Red Bull 'Team Isn't dominant , because a F1 Team has 2 drivers .

MAX is extremely dominant !

MAX (Alone)! won the drivers and the constructors Championship !

Checo ?
In this 2023 season , it was like Checo wasn't racing for the Red Bull Team in the same competitive RB19 car !

So far in this season : MAX-14 / Checo-2

Max Verstappen is the Red Bull Team !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

To add in my post #36 :

49 wins , 93 (!) podiums and 3 World Titles in a row !

#UnLeashTheLion !

Just 2 away from Prost..

[3798j]

Max is so dominate that he's rarely on the TV screen (unless there's a safety car)..we see the start and the first 4 turns, a couple of his pit stops, followed by a shot of him crossing the finish line and taking the checkerd flag. It's fine because the camera stays where there's actual racing action.

[OG Shark]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

In decades of following F1, I’ve concluded champions have Lady Luck on their side, are at the top of their driving skills, have a good car, and the car and regulations fit their driving style. I doubt Prost, Senna and Schumacher would enjoy the same success in today’s F1. We’re already seeing how Hamilton is struggling, and yet the most successful driver of all times. In Verstappen’s case, he has a car perfectly suited to his style. In other words, it’s the car.

When you say he has a car perfectly suited to his style - that can work the other way too. His style has allowed RBR to take the car to a place that no other team can match. He can control such a pointy car at the edge in any situation while still preserving his tires better than anyone else on the grid at the fastest pace. His teammate obviously cannot do this with any kind of consistency in anything other than optimum conditions and still cannot match pace at that point. Once the car got to the point where VER started really dominating in '23 then PER's points per race plummeted. RBR was able to evolve the car into a monster with the right person behind the wheel - so in other words it's both.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Max is so dominate that he's rarely on the TV screen (unless there's a safety car)..we see the start and the first 4 turns, a couple of his pit stops, followed by a shot of him crossing the finish line and taking the checkerd flag. It's fine because the camera stays where there's actual racing action.

Max is too fast for even the cameras, that's why

[OG Shark]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Max is so dominate that he's rarely on the TV screen (unless there's a safety car)..we see the start and the first 4 turns, a couple of his pit stops, followed by a shot of him crossing the finish line and taking the checkerd flag. It's fine because the camera stays where there's actual racing action.

Would be nice to see some racing at the top again but I think we are out a few years for that at this point. McLaren looking poised to take the next step in the every revolving best of the rest race this year but I don't think they can bridge the gap for awhile with VER being so far out ahead right now. Feeling like something dramatic like a rule set switchover is going to be the key. Of course that was the opinion in '21 too so maybe it will happen sooner rather than later.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Just the next 2 race weekends away from Prost..

FTFY !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

FTFY !

Only a mug would bet against a Max win, McLaren can dream but hopefully Checo can shine a light and put up an inkling of a challenge to PIA and his mate.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Red Bull 'Team Isn't dominant , because a F1 Team has 2 drivers .

MAX is extremely dominant !

MAX (Alone)! won the drivers and the constructors Championship !

Checo ?
In this 2023 season , it was like Checo wasn't racing for the Red Bull Team in the same competitive RB19 car !

So far in this season : MAX-14 / Checo-2

Max Verstappen is the Red Bull Team !

Agreed. I am sure this is the first time in history where one driver could win both the WDC and WCC all by himself.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

When they start locking out P1 & P2 in most races by 1 second over the rest of the field and lapping everyone in the race, then we can call it dominant. Other than that, it's down to the pilot, otherwise Per would be close. The only thing is, Max destroys anyone whereas Ham was never quite good enough to put much distance between himself and maybe average at best drivers like Ros and Bot at MB - hence all of the calls to 'not race', 'invert', etc.

It's weird. In the purposing days, RBR had a second in quali and were lapping pretty much the entire field. You insist with the idea that Verstappen and RBR are not dominant, but then contradict yourself. Nothing else to say here. Oh, 'pilot'. That's how they say in me old hunting grounds. LOL.

Originally Posted by OG Shark

When you say he has a car perfectly suited to his style - that can work the other way too. His style has allowed RBR to take the car to a place that no other team can match. He can control such a pointy car at the edge in any situation while still preserving his tires better than anyone else on the grid at the fastest pace. ... RBR was able to evolve the car into a monster with the right person behind the wheel - so in other words it's both.

It's the Newey effect. He can read the driver and mold the car to that driver. Obviously having a badass driver like Verstappen helps. But the real magic is Newey.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

FTFY !

Talk about flogging a dead horse, there is yet another new floor coming for the Merc at Austin, what a waste of money being squandered on this mattress on wheels.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/24329...in-austin.html

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

It's weird. In the purposing days, RBR had a second in quali and were lapping pretty much the entire field. You insist with the idea that Verstappen and RBR are not dominant, but then contradict yourself. Nothing else to say here. Oh, 'pilot'. That's how they say in me old hunting grounds. LOL.


It's the Newey effect. He can read the driver and mold the car to that driver. Obviously having a badass driver like Verstappen helps. But the real magic is Newey.

Checo has the same real magic in his car. But he drives with Newey's magic like a grandma !

The 'true magic is MAX : 49 wins + 5 sprint wins - 93 podiums - 30 poles - 3 World Titles in a row.

#MaxIsTheMagic !

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

In decades of following F1, I’ve concluded champions have Lady Luck on their side, are at the top of their driving skills, have a good car, and the car and regulations fit their driving style. I doubt Prost, Senna and Schumacher would enjoy the same success in today’s F1. We’re already seeing how Hamilton is struggling, and yet the most successful driver of all times. In Verstappen’s case, he has a car perfectly suited to his style. In other words, it’s the car.

With any such reasoning:

• Eddy Merckx dominated the field in cycling (as he won in all sorts of categories, it got him the nickname 'The Cannibal') - in other words, it were his bicycles;
• Stephen Hendrey dominated the field in snooker - in other words, it were his cues;
• Usain Bolt dominated the field in sprint/athletics - in other words, it were his shoes;
• Tiger Woods dominated the field in golf - in other words, it was his golf gear;
• Roger Federer dominated the field in tennis - in other words, it were his tennis rackets.

What about: the dominant factors are the talent, wit and skills of the sportsman allowing him to consistently squeeze the best out of the gear at his disposal in all sorts of track and weather conditions, a perfect harmony/symbiosis between man and machine ?

Getting top gear at your disposal is a good start, but can you handle it properly like an ace to achieve #1 results time and time again in all sorts of conditions ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Time for more young guns IMHO

Killed by Death

[3798j]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Agreed. I am sure this is the first time in history where one driver could win both the WDC and WCC all by himself.

Nope...
It's happened 11 times before (with Verstappen making it 12 this year).

https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1...tructor-titles

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Killed by Death

Number 50 is beckoning

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Number 50 is beckoning

Excerpt from a Feb 4, 2021 article entitled "The elite group of F1 drivers with 50 wins and who could join them"
https://racingnews365.com/the-elite-...ould-join-them

"Only four Formula 1 drivers have won 50 or more races in their careers, and it doesn't look like anybody will be joining them anytime soon. Here's an in-depth look at this distinguished group.
Alain Prost: 51 wins
Sebastian Vettel: 53 wins
Michael Schumacher: 91 wins
Lewis Hamilton: 95 wins
Who can join the 50 win club?
The list of candidates isn't long, and even then, it might take some time for another Formula 1 driver to reach the 50 win club.
Fernando Alonso sits on 32 victories, but at the age of 39, he'll be hard pressed to win another 18 races after sitting out the last two seasons, especially as Alpine aren't expected to challenge the front of the grid just yet.
Kimi Raikkonen has 21 wins to his name, but given he now drives for Alfa Romeo and has one win in the last eight seasons, he likely won't add to that tally.
Therefore it's Max Verstappen, who sits on 10 victories, that has the best chance of hitting 50. Sure, it will take some time as the Dutchman still has to contend with Mercedes, but given his age and talent, the odds are certainly in his favour."

Well, that escalated quickly. Less than a 1000 days have lapsed ever since and Verstappen is already at #49. He just turned 26 and is capable of also topping the race win chart someday in the future, jumping over Hamilton (currently 103 - possibly retiring at the end of the 2025 season) and Schumacher (91).

Back in 1990 Prost celebrated his 40th race win: