Houston Astros get the well deserved shaft

[F30lolz]

Beltran OUT.

[CT335xi]

Originally Posted by EricVR4

I can think of a whole host of things worse than this stuff. Baseball has been corrupt since the 1800s, this is nothing new

If you've seen or heard some of the player reactions around the league (and former players), a lot of them already knew multiple teams across the league stole signs electronically. Most of it has been player-driven too.

Logan Morrison of the Brewers: "I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs," he wrote, per NJ Advance Media's Brendan Kuty. "Just want you guys to know the truth. I personally think it's a tool in a tool belt to pick signs, but if we are going to be punishing people for it. Don't half ass it."

Our stats in 2017 were still better on the road than they were at home (including post season). And the Red Sox/Yankees/Dodgers bats all went silent against our pitching during our run.....so all of these people saying we've ruined baseball and stole the World Series and are the worst of the worst, baseball has never seen this big of a scandal, blah blah blah are hypocritically hilarious

Edit: I also understand the excuse "well everybody is doing it" is also a bad one. We cheated, we got punished, end of story. It's just the moral high-ground preaching from people whose own teams have cheated for decades in one form or another (and have been caught/punished) is getting really, really, really old. Not accusing you of this either, just making a generalized statement/rant

Bottom line regardless of who is suspected of cheating you guy cheated and got caught and there’s plenty of evidence. There is now some saying the cheating continued in 2019 with the buzzers , and the video of the Altuve walk off homerun were he is yelling don’t rip off my jersey!! I wonder why

[EricVR4]

Originally Posted by CT335xi

Bottom line regardless of who is suspected of cheating you guy cheated and got caught and there’s plenty of evidence. There is now some saying the cheating continued in 2019 with the buzzers , and the video of the Altuve walk off homerun were he is yelling don’t rip off my jersey!! I wonder why

Altuve explained that literally 5 minutes after he won that game in his interview on the field. Also, MLB fans can't cherry pick what's right about the report and what isn't, that's not how this works

People can't say "see the report said you cheated" but then not believe the rest of the report when it says they found no evidence after the regular season in 2018. People can't pick and choose which facts they want to believe. You either believe the report or you don't

We cheated, we got caught, we got punished. I've already said that and I'm fine with it. It sucks that it happened and it's embarrassing because we didn't even need to do it (statistics prove that). But we did. I wish Manfred would investigate the rest of the league and leads he keeps being given because it's fairly obvious it wasn't just us and the Red Sox. But he won't, because he's lost enough fans already over the years and he doesn't want to blow up the league. Money is too powerful a motive/tool....which is what leads to so many people cheating in the first place. Human nature's "win at all cost" mentality when the stakes get as high as they are in professional sports.

We'll be used as an example, along with whoever else was involved (Cora, Beltran) and then be done with it.

[quick6]

Latest has Mike Trout of the Angels partaking in HGH

[EricVR4]

Originally Posted by quick6

Latest has Mike Trout of the Angels partaking in HGH

At this rate, I'll be of the belief "is it really cheating if everybody's cheating?"

[F30lolz]

Altuve clearly holding onto his jersey in fear of getting ripped off by teammates after hitting the series ending HR off of Chapman.

Hiding a device it seems.....

[UglyBuzzard]

What a disgrace to the great game of baseball. Pathetic and keep the heads falling.

Vacate the title and let Pete in!

[EricVR4]

Did y'all not read the report?

Straight from MLB (also on the 4th page of the report): "MLB explored wearable devices during the investigation, but found no evidence to substantiate it"

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by EricVR4

"MLB explored wearable devices during the investigation, but found no evidence to substantiate it"

Because Altuve kept his shirt on

[EricVR4]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Because Altuve kept his shirt on

*groans*

[UglyBuzzard]

Proof

[ptper]

...

[RickFLM4]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-white-sox-80s

[dcpatters]

[ny325]

What ashame that teams have to do this. The MLB batting AVG for 2019 was around 240-250. That explains why they need to cheat I guess. How about learning how to bunt, hitting to all sides of the field, and taking a walk? Wait, I guess you need to cheat, because the majority of today's players don't know how to do that.

[ny325]

I say Boston and Houston keep the trophy, and give back their championship rings.

[UglyBuzzard]

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[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by EricVR4

I did read the report. We cheated, no arguing that. Looking at the statistics though, in 2017 we hit better on the road than we did at home. Obviously we couldn't use cameras on the road in other teams' stadiums.....so I'm just saying I don't know how much of a difference it made. But regardless, cheating is still cheating and we got punished for it

Just as a reference because I'm a numbers person and love statistics (I did not pull these myself, took them from another analyst):

Astros
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.279/.340/.472/97
Road
.284/.351/.483/103

Equally as interesting, since the other teams have been involved and/or accused in sign stealing as well (going back to my comment about if anyone thinks the Astros are the only ones doing it, they're insanely delusional):

Yankess
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.265/.343/.474/107
Road
.258/.334/.421/93

Red Sox
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.269/.340/.412/105
Road
.247/.319/.401/96

Dodgers
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.252/.335/.449/103
Road
.246/.334.426/98

We were found guilty of cheating based on evidence found and we had a better record on the road than at home. That makes those other numbers look a little sketchy. If anyone thinks all other teams are innocent, you're in for a rude awakening

You cannot just look at the home/ away numbers you posted. There are other very important factors involved. Just for example, the quality of starting pitching, pen threw in those games. Way too many variables. What we can absolutely draw conclusions from is what has been proven and admitted to. Optimistic Speculation on ones part based on irrelevant data doesn’t mean much at all, a foul ball

[F30lolz]

Originally Posted by UglyBuzzard

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Big boi CC posted this on IG. Epic.

[UglyBuzzard]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Big boi CC posted this on IG. Epic.

It's that bad...

[corn18]

Originally Posted by EricVR4

I did read the report. We cheated, no arguing that. Looking at the statistics though, in 2017 we hit better on the road than we did at home. Obviously we couldn't use cameras on the road in other teams' stadiums.....so I'm just saying I don't know how much of a difference it made. But regardless, cheating is still cheating and we got punished for it

Just as a reference because I'm a numbers person and love statistics (I did not pull these myself, took them from another analyst):

Astros
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.279/.340/.472/97
Road
.284/.351/.483/103

Equally as interesting, since the other teams have been involved and/or accused in sign stealing as well (going back to my comment about if anyone thinks the Astros are the only ones doing it, they're insanely delusional):

Yankess
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.265/.343/.474/107
Road
.258/.334/.421/93

Red Sox
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.269/.340/.412/105
Road
.247/.319/.401/96

Dodgers
BA/OBP/SLG/tOPS+
Home
.252/.335/.449/103
Road
.246/.334.426/98

We were found guilty of cheating based on evidence found and we had a better record on the road than at home. That makes those other numbers look a little sketchy. If anyone thinks all other teams are innocent, you're in for a rude awakening

Sucking at cheating. That should be punished even more.

[Haywood]

What I think is the worst part of this is that players get complete immunity with no repercussions for cheating. They basically became rats to out the managers and GM’s. The players are ones who cheating, but will get no punishment. That’s fucked up to me.