Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

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Oxymoron 1500 reminds me of the "SUX 6000".

The youngins' here will have to googleit

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Audi e-Tron GT's are in trouble and recalls issued for battery sealing fault which may ignite the cars or even make them crash.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...IRE-crash.html

EV=time bomb

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Oxymoron 1500 reminds me of the "SUX 6000".

The youngins' here will have to googleit

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

That's always been the goal, but at what retail price? And at what charging speed? The downstream EV drivetrain dictates range distance based on its efficiency. Meaning the same amount of electrons move a car the same miles (a few variables like weight factor in). Right now a 300-mile range requires 90+ kWh battery. Roughly double that for 600 miles. The new battery will need 1/2 the weight in the same space factor. Doubling the energy density. And the cost of the EV needs to get under $45K?

And how many amps go through the charger cable? And the current battery/charger technology hasn't yet been paid off.

Just looking at it with some realism.

To grow the sale of EV, one important factor is they need to be affordable." The average price of all new vehicles in Canada is currently about $56,000, according to Canadian Black Book, which provides vehicle valuation data used by dealers. But an EV is close to $73,000. EV prices likely need to be a fraction of today's prices to reach mass market by 2035.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gonzo

TESLA taking a dump and stuff.

Originally Posted by gblansten

It's going to be a great buy opportunity.

That way you will have a spare Tesla when your Tesla is in the shop for tires again or new batteries, etc. Sorry low hanging fruit, can't pass them up.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

If we can get more energy density into batteries which would forestall increased weight then more range would be awesome.

It is a interesting car, kind of attractive and kind of ugly at the same time I think I dated a girl like that. As for your thoughts on energy density, yes true but there are very serious limitations on getting the energy into the battery. There are absolute limits on how fast you can transfer energy without doing damage and there will not likely be a quantum change as long as we are using chemical based storage.
Alternative Fuels Data Center
Fuel Properties Comparison
https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publ...ison_chart.pdf

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

EV=time bomb

''EV's are not a viable solution'

[Car-Addicted]

Audi recalls top-of-the-range electric vehicles due to fire risk
January 25, 2024
A fire safety risk has been identified in more than 200 new electric vehicles, with Audi recalling the model for urgent repairs.
The federal transport department issued a recall for the Audi e-Tron GT vehicles on Thursday due to a safety issue involving their battery housing.
“Due to a manufacturing issue, the sealing of the high-voltage battery housing may reduce over time, allowing moisture to enter,” the recall said.
“The moisture may potentially result in an electrical short circuit increasing the risk of fire.”
https://thedriven.io/2024/01/25/audi...-to-fire-risk/

[murderspice]

Really? No comment on the 1000 mile range EV? Makes me think this thread really isn’t about EVs. :/

[Car-Addicted]

Fiery Dawn of a New Era as Electric Vehicle Blaze Challenges Local Firefighting Tactics
1-22-2024
Alerted by their barking dog, Marvin, Drina, and Byxie Boluyt fled their Loch Alpine home as a white wisp of smoke was fanned into flames that began shooting out of the garage.
In less than ten minutes, a sheriff and a Dexter firetruck arrived, followed by a formidable parade of firetrucks, ambulances, EMTs, and twenty-two firefighters, representing Scio Township, Dexter, Chelsea, Ann Arbor, Ann Arbor Township, and Webster Township (technically the Dexter Area Fire Department). By that time, flames were shooting out of the roof of the 1960s-era brick ranch, the garage was ablaze, and two cars were on fire.

The difference between this call and any other residential fire was the fact that it involved two electric vehicles—a brand new Tesla and a five-year-old plug-in Volvo hybrid.
https://thesuntimesnews.com/g/dexter...l-firefighting

[Car-Addicted]

Third electric London bus bursts into flames prompting urgent operator probe just weeks after double-decker blaze
25 January 2024
The single-decker bus caught fire in Putney on Wednesday at around 8:21am.
Footage shared on social media shows the fire tear through the electric vehicle while parked inside a bus garage.
But the incident has sparked concern among some after the blaze followed two previous incidents of electric buses catching fire within the last two weeks.
In a message to staff, the company said it is “in the initial stages of an investigation” while noting that incidents such as these are “very rare”.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london-el...fire-bridgade/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Really? No comment on the 1000 mile range EV? Makes me think this thread really isn’t about EVs. :/

The article offered no meaningful insight into the technology.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Really? No comment on the 1000 mile range EV? Makes me think this thread really isn’t about EVs. :/

1000 mile range is really impressive, but it still won't solve the charging and infrastructure shortcomings that are probably a bigger issue.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Really? No comment on the 1000 mile range EV? Makes me think this thread really isn’t about EVs. :/

And who can afford this? If and when it ever actually becomes reality?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

To grow the sale of EV, one important factor is they need to be affordable." The average price of all new vehicles in Canada is currently about $56,000, according to Canadian Black Book, which provides vehicle valuation data used by dealers. But an EV is close to $73,000. EV prices likely need to be a fraction of today's prices to reach mass market by 2035.

I've not researched the details, but it is indicated the average US light duty automotive retail transaction price is $48,760. What is not said is what makes up the number. Is it the MSRP average of every model available in the US (or Canada for your numbers) or is that total price spent by consumers divided by the number of cars bought. If EV are included in the average, then a comparison of how close EV MSRP are to ICEV is invalid because the higher prices of EV are skewing the average higher. A loose observation of the market shows there are far more inexpensive ICEV models on the low end vs. expensive EV models on the high end.

The better comparison is ICEV/EV MSRP between models in the same segment of the market. Again, a loose observation of the market indicates ICEV MSRP are on the order of $5,000 - $15,000 less expensive. For example, the base model Camry (LE) is $27,515 vs. the base model Tesla Model 3 at $41,630 (no longer eligible for a tax credit). So, the least expensive Camry is $14,115 less than the least expensive Model 3. Doing some simple math with internet-sourced (AAA) numbers for maintenance cost per mile for EV (3 cents) and ICEV (9 cents) and national average gas cost of $3.10 (AAA for this week) and the Camry's 32 average MPG, the payback (breakeven point) is 55,400 miles.

And that's simple math that doesn't include the cost to fuel the Tesla. The cost to fuel the Tesla for 55,400 miles (@3 cents per mile from Fueleconomy.gov) adds an additional 22,000 miles to the payback, making the total payback at 77,400 miles.

There is simply no cost parity between EV and ICE. Most normal cost-conscious budget-minded people understand this and it is why EV sales are slowing. Add in the PITA it is to charge an EV off-site from home and the 20% to 50% range cut for cold weather use, most normal people see zero advantage to owning EV. People generally like paying more for better performance rather than paying more for less performance.

[Car-Addicted]

Energy developer delivers major blow to blue state's climate agenda by canceling offshore wind contracts
January 27, 2024
Multinational energy developer Orsted unexpectedly withdrew from agreements with the State of Maryland to develop two offshore wind projects, citing worsening economic conditions.
Hardy added that the decision was made in light of "challenging economic circumstances." According to Orsted, the ORECs set forth under the company's agreement with the state are no longer commercially viable as a result of market conditions, including inflation, high interest rates and supply chain constraints.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ene...climate-agenda

So we invest billion in the green grift and print money to pay for it because the world knows we are idiots and can't repay the bonds. This creates "inflation, high interest rates and supply chain constraints" that makes the green grift not financially viable?

So where is the electricity going to come from for our Planet saving EV's?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Audi recalls top-of-the-range electric vehicles due to fire risk
January 25, 2024
A fire safety risk has been identified in more than 200 new electric vehicles, with Audi recalling the model for urgent repairs.
The federal transport department issued a recall for the Audi e-Tron GT vehicles on Thursday due to a safety issue involving their battery housing.
“Due to a manufacturing issue, the sealing of the high-voltage battery housing may reduce over time, allowing moisture to enter,” the recall said.
“The moisture may potentially result in an electrical short circuit increasing the risk of fire.”
https://thedriven.io/2024/01/25/audi...-to-fire-risk/

#6265.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Third electric London bus bursts into flames prompting urgent operator probe just weeks after double-decker blaze
25 January 2024
The single-decker bus caught fire in Putney on Wednesday at around 8:21am.
Footage shared on social media shows the fire tear through the electric vehicle while parked inside a bus garage.
But the incident has sparked concern among some after the blaze followed two previous incidents of electric buses catching fire within the last two weeks.
In a message to staff, the company said it is “in the initial stages of an investigation” while noting that incidents such as these are “very rare”.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london-el...fire-bridgade/

I'll wager the 'Company' have already been told what to say from above, like the FD about the Luton fire.
Three buses destroyed in the space of a fortnight and the usual official statement ''We take safety very seriously...'' you know the one.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I've not researched the details, but it is indicated the average US light duty automotive retail transaction price is $48,760. What is not said is what makes up the number. Is it the MSRP average of every model available in the US (or Canada for your numbers) or is that total price spent by consumers divided by the number of cars bought. If EV are included in the average, then a comparison of how close EV MSRP are to ICEV is invalid because the higher prices of EV are skewing the average higher. A loose observation of the market shows there are far more inexpensive ICEV models on the low end vs. expensive EV models on the high end.

The better comparison is ICEV/EV MSRP between models in the same segment of the market. Again, a loose observation of the market indicates ICEV MSRP are on the order of $5,000 - $15,000 less expensive. For example, the base model Camry (LE) is $27,515 vs. the base model Tesla Model 3 at $41,630 (no longer eligible for a tax credit). So, the least expensive Camry is $14,115 less than the least expensive Model 3. Doing some simple math with internet-sourced (AAA) numbers for maintenance cost per mile for EV (3 cents) and ICEV (9 cents) and national average gas cost of $3.10 (AAA for this week) and the Camry's 32 average MPG, the payback (breakeven point) is 55,400 miles.

And that's simple math that doesn't include the cost to fuel the Tesla. The cost to fuel the Tesla for 55,400 miles (@3 cents per mile from Fueleconomy.gov) adds an additional 22,000 miles to the payback, making the total payback at 77,400 miles.

There is simply no cost parity between EV and ICE. Most normal cost-conscious budget-minded people understand this and it is why EV sales are slowing. Add in the PITA it is to charge an EV off-site from home and the 20% to 50% range cut for cold weather use, most normal people see zero advantage to owning EV. People generally like paying more for better performance rather than paying more for less performance.

And that is without adding in all of the subsidies that get tacked on at the front end. If they were sold for what they cost to manufacture the number would be much much higher.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Fiery Dawn of a New Era as Electric Vehicle Blaze Challenges Local Firefighting Tactics
1-22-2024
Alerted by their barking dog, Marvin, Drina, and Byxie Boluyt fled their Loch Alpine home as a white wisp of smoke was fanned into flames that began shooting out of the garage.
In less than ten minutes, a sheriff and a Dexter firetruck arrived, followed by a formidable parade of firetrucks, ambulances, EMTs, and twenty-two firefighters, representing Scio Township, Dexter, Chelsea, Ann Arbor, Ann Arbor Township, and Webster Township (technically the Dexter Area Fire Department). By that time, flames were shooting out of the roof of the 1960s-era brick ranch, the garage was ablaze, and two cars were on fire.

The difference between this call and any other residential fire was the fact that it involved two electric vehicles—a brand new Tesla and a five-year-old plug-in Volvo hybrid.
https://thesuntimesnews.com/g/dexter...l-firefighting

I heard the best way to put out EV related fire is to let it burn to the ground until nothing left. I am not kidding. Information from firefighters.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Third electric London bus bursts into flames prompting urgent operator probe just weeks after double-decker blaze
25 January 2024
The single-decker bus caught fire in Putney on Wednesday at around 8:21am.
Footage shared on social media shows the fire tear through the electric vehicle while parked inside a bus garage.
But the incident has sparked concern among some after the blaze followed two previous incidents of electric buses catching fire within the last two weeks.
In a message to staff, the company said it is “in the initial stages of an investigation” while noting that incidents such as these are “very rare”.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london-el...fire-bridgade/

Perfect example of sweep things under the carpet. No worry, everything is going to be alright

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The article offered no meaningful insight into the technology.