Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by simon727

indeed! i preferred it too!

What good is the revenue if it gets sent offshore?

So you can use my land to grow your crops, but I don’t get it to keep part of the profit?

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak. -Cicero

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

That's the EV mantra then, everyone should just wait...

Seriously. If everyone and every city waits, how do the EV companies make money?

First, who gives a shit if corps make money? Thats their bad business model, not mine.

Second, if everyone waits, we dont progress. There have to be growing pains and people willing to endure them. If youre not helping, youre just a distraction.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

First, who gives a shit if corps make money? Thats their bad business model, not mine.

No it is politicians and unelected bureaucrats with an agenda that squandered tax payer money and it is green grift that send billions of tax payer money to "corporations" who profit and then go bankrupt.

Originally Posted by murderspice

Second, if everyone waits, we dont progress. There have to be growing pains and people willing to endure them. If youre not helping, youre just a distraction.

No the issue is that this "progress" should be funded by the private sector and not forced on tax payers. May be you noticed we are at 34.06Trillion in debt.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Electric Vehicle Owners Are Frustrated and Demand the Return of Gas Cars
January 17, 2024
Electric vehicle owners are frustrated and demand the return of gas cars. Electric cars may represent the future of transportation, but many EV owners now want out. The anticipated revolution in electric vehicles (EVs) appears to be hitting a speed bump.

Toyota is looking smarter every day and BMW is looking more stupid every day.

Madaz is very slow going into EV and they are focusing in building hybrid as well.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

'We're pressing pause on' EVs: City's $5 million electric bus fleet breaks down
January 22, 2024
Asheville, North Carolina, is looking to reinvest in biodiesel-powered buses after investing millions of dollars in an electric fleet that is only partly operable, WLOS reported.
Cities across America are starting to regret their massive electric bus investments as they continue to pour funds into costly, time-consuming repairs.
Asheville purchased five Proterra electric buses in 2018 for $5 million. Since then, the city has spent more than $200,000 to build vehicle chargers. Additionally, Asheville spends $118,000 annually for the contract to lease the buses' batteries and another $45,481 to charge the vehicles, according to Asheville's interim transportation director, Jessica Morriss.
"If you added that altogether, I think, probably $900,000 to $1 million is what each one cost. And, since then, we've had to invest additional money into maintaining them and fixing them," she added.
McDaniel explained that the buses could travel only about 78 miles, equivalent to about three trips to the airport, before they must be charged for several hours.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/we-re-...et-breaks-down

Same tune different song

Same thing happen in Canada with the EV buses. Took the gov. three years to figure out 60 EVs buses aren't fit to be on the road

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...erra-1.7035186

[crAbb]

I5 M60

It's a 'dinosaur'.

Harry Metcalf, a highly respected UK based reviewer, tells us the inconvenient truth...

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'm only joining up for a car breakdown firm where the president is not a greenie, like AA's Edmund King.

''What is the point of EV's at all''

Even if money is no object to me, my toy list will never include a EV

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

First, who gives a shit if corps make money? Thats their bad business model, not mine.

Second, if everyone waits, we dont progress. There have to be growing pains and people willing to endure them. If youre not helping, youre just a distraction.

Amusing. As an investor I give a shit if corporations make profit. I know, stupid of me, right? We all should just earn a universal basic income and all drive just the one single-model car the government produces for us. Well, I'm different. Should I apologize here?

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

No it is politicians and unelected bureaucrats with an agenda that squandered tax payer money and it is green grift that send billions of tax payer money to "corporations" who profit and then go bankrupt.

Dude, are you high? Rod blagoyovitch (or whatever) went to prison merely for selling his ‘blessing’ on who could run for Obama’s old seat. The total amount of money Chicago politicians had access to would be in the tens of billions of dollars over that time. You really think, a) the ability to control all that wealth (if you were stealing it) would be peacefully handed over every time theres an election? Or b) that rod b. would not have used his billions to stay out of jail if he could actually control things? I dont see govt officials going around buying media companies. At BEST, a crooked politician would only be as rich as, say, mitch mcconnell or nancy pelosi, and they arent really that rich when you start looking at billionaires. Sure, they have a way better life than they deserve or that most can have, but it still appears that the system is only corrupt enough to produce a few millionaires.

[/QUOTE]
No the issue is that this "progress" should be funded by the private sector and not forced on tax payers. May be you noticed we are at 34.06Trillion in debt. [/QUOTE]

Man, people still eat tide pods. Do you not think the private sector is also investing in this? They are about to build billions in factories that, if EVs dont catch on, would require significant investment to repurpose something that the govt is not required to buy back from them. They could be stuck with state of the art factories that produce nothing. All the investment from govt is just proving to the markets that govt is on board with adopting this new technology; basically subsidizing demand until 2035. Can capitalism radically change our world in 10 years?

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Even if money is no object to me, my toy list will never include a EV

Golf carts are EVs.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by crAbb

I5 M60

It's a 'dinosaur'.

Harry Metcalf, a highly respected UK based reviewer, tells us the inconvenient truth...

Conclusion: wait for the future.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Amusing. As an investor I give a shit if corporations make profit. I know, stupid of me, right? We all should just earn a universal basic income and all drive just the one single-model car the government produces for us. Well, I'm different. Should I apologize here?

Who would you rather see profit? You or a corp?

And why do you think this: “ just the one single-model car the government produces for us.” Wouldn't the ‘global elite’ give everyone ‘the illusion of choice’ by having 2-3 big companies produce only the products “they” want? The ‘illusion of capitalism’ keeps them in line?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Madaz is very slow going into EV and they are focusing in building hybrid as well.

The problem is most Hybrids are trash technology and are nothing more than a overly complicated EV with a ICE engine.

Here is a good explanation of a proper hybrid.
2024 Chevy Corvette E-Ray Deep Dive: Everything to Know About That Hybrid Powertrain
https://www.thedrive.com/news/2024-c...rid-powertrain

As soon as consumers wake up to what they are purchasing and demand real hybrids, we may make real progress.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Amusing. We all should just earn a universal basic income and all drive just the one single-model car the government produces for us.

murderspice's gruel is being served now, he will get back to you soon.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by crAbb

I5 M60

It's a 'dinosaur'.

Harry Metcalf, a highly respected UK based reviewer, tells us the inconvenient truth...

An electric 2.5 ton dinosaur...ough

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Amusing. As an investor I give a shit if corporations make profit. I know, stupid of me, right? We all should just earn a universal basic income and all drive just the one single-model car the government produces for us. Well, I'm different. Should I apologize here?

No, it’s the American way to be greedy and not give a crap about anything but making money. I am sure none of the companies you invest in have ever done any harm to anyone or anything….

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

murderspice's gruel is being served now, he will get back to you soon.

Does liking profit make me an asshole?


BTW, I ran all five of my car's engines at once this morning. The 325i was dead. Checked the other 4. Oh, shit, I also ran the diesel tractor to jump the 325i. It was the only vehicle I could get close enough for the cables to reach...

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The problem is most Hybrids are trash technology and are nothing more than a overly complicated EV with a ICE engine.

Here is a good explanation of a proper hybrid.
2024 Chevy Corvette E-Ray Deep Dive: Everything to Know About That Hybrid Powertrain
https://www.thedrive.com/news/2024-c...rid-powertrain

As soon as consumers wake up to what they are purchasing and demand real hybrids, we may make real progress.

Summary of Hybrid from Japanese car manufactures:
Toyota - the best and absolute bullet proof Hybrid and highly refined in design, planetary gear E-CVT transmission won't break
Honda IMA - old hybrid system that Honda no longer makes it, it's similar to the Mild Hybrid that's called by another manufacturer
Honda new hybrid system - near Toyota's reliability but small different in design than Toyota's hybrid, it has 2 clutches so it will break
Hyundai - its Hybrid motor is mated with a DCT tranny, not reliable in long term
Subaru - not available in Canada, its Hybrid motor is mated with a DCT tranny, not reliable in long term
Mitsubishi - not sure but it has clutches, got a feeling that is similar to Honda's hybrid

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

No, it’s the American way to be greedy and not give a crap about anything but making money. I am sure none of the companies you invest in have ever done any harm to anyone or anything….

Yeah, I tend not to live naked in a cave.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Conclusion: wait for the future.

We need to go back to the future

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Summary of Hybrid from Japanese car manufactures:
Toyota - the best and absolute bullet proof Hybrid and highly refined in design, planetary gear E-CVT transmission won't break
Honda IMA - old hybrid system that Honda no longer makes it, it's similar to the Mild Hybrid that's called by another manufacturer
Honda new hybrid system - near Toyota's reliability but small different in design than Toyota's hybrid, it has 2 clutches so it will break
Hyundai - its Hybrid motor is mated with a DCT tranny, not reliable in long term
Subaru - not available in Canada, its Hybrid motor is mated with a DCT tranny, not reliable in long term
Mitsubishi - not sure but it has clutches, got a feeling that is similar to Honda's hybrid

Why Chevrolet gave up on the near-pure-series Voltec drivetrain I'll never understand. Much more sophisticated than Toyota's parallel Prius (which TRW developed in the early 1970's BTW).