Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Cool but not this cool. Around 5 HP in proper tune. .21CI hold in your hand.

https://www.reds-racing-usa.com/721pista

Oh, I have a similar model airplane engine somewhere in my garage. New in Box vintage 1974 or so. Can't remember who made it.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Everyone should decide on their use case. My airport parking garage has NACS chargers available and they tend not to be full.

So if I take my car to the airport and leave it there while I'm no vacation for a week, do you think they'll mind if I leave it attached to a charger? Or at the Park N' Fly where it just sits out in the open the whole time and goes into a deep cold soak.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Cool but not this cool. Around 5 HP in proper tune. .21CI hold in your hand.

https://www.reds-racing-usa.com/721pista

I think that's the engine BMW used in the i3 REX.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Everyone should decide on their use case. My airport parking garage has NACS chargers available and they tend not to be full.

That's the crux of the issue isn't it? Has been since the beginning of this silly thread. I mean most of the people here, EV supporters or... EV Haters apparently are basically saying the same thing from different viewpoints, yet somehow we are on page 270+, the problem is, there won't be a choice whether it suits your use case or not. And none of the supporting structure to make this happen at the rate that those in power wishes it'd happen is not going to pop up overnight, innovations in battery tech, charging tech etc. isn't going to magically appear. Let's not forget, EVs leave a BIGGER carbon footprint up front to build, but smaller one over time, so we are placing an even greater carbon footprint right now, at the tipping point, for perceived future gains? In what universe does that make sense.

I am on the side that these rules will never happen here in Canada or the US at the timelines they set forth today, we move way too slowly for this lofty goal to be even within reach, none of the current crop of politicians anywhere near the seat of power in the next 10 years is going to touch that hot potato with a 10 foot pole once they are in power.

At Toronto's Pearson, if you'd like your car charged while you are away, you are paying for the valet service. Park a week at Pearson, it'd cost you double to their standard covered long term parking.

Frankly, I'd rather uber to the airport than to pay for valet if that's my only option with an EV, but that's just me, not everyone will have that option here in Ontario

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

So if I take my car to the airport and leave it there while I'm no vacation for a week, do you think they'll mind if I leave it attached to a charger? Or at the Park N' Fly where it just sits out in the open the whole time and goes into a deep cold soak.

You would just need to check.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by kyriian

That's the crux of the issue isn't it? Has been since the beginning of this silly thread. I mean most of the people here, EV supporters or... EV Haters apparently are basically saying the same thing from different viewpoints, yet somehow we are on page 270+, the problem is, there won't be a choice whether it suits your use case or not. And none of the supporting structure to make this happen at the rate that those in power wishes it'd happen is not going to pop up overnight, innovations in battery tech, charging tech etc. isn't going to magically appear. Let's not forget, EVs leave a BIGGER carbon footprint up front to build, but smaller one over time, so we are placing an even greater carbon footprint right now, at the tipping point, for perceived future gains? In what universe does that make sense.

I am on the side that these rules will never happen here in Canada or the US at the timelines they set forth today, we move way too slowly for this lofty goal to be even within reach, none of the current crop of politicians anywhere near the seat of power in the next 10 years is going to touch that hot potato with a 10 foot pole once they are in power.

At Toronto's Pearson, if you'd like your car charged while you are away, you are paying for the valet service. Park a week at Pearson, it'd cost you double to their standard covered long term parking.

Frankly, I'd rather uber to the airport than to pay for valet if that's my only option with an EV, but that's just me, not everyone will have that option here in Ontario

I would avoid a valet as well. I’m only 12 miles from the airport so I just leave my car without charging it there. Will do that tomorrow.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

You guys are into R/C too. I am big fan of R/C plane and helicopter.

These are the coolest, smallest 4 stroke engines I have
https://www.osengines.co.jp/english/...alog/36410.htm
https://www.osengines.co.jp/english/...log/3A010.html

Have a glowplug Corsair NAVY plane, not R/C but with handle control nylon lines to rear elevators.It's never been flown.

[carseatsm5]

Research from Auto Trader said there were “unsustainable levels of depreciation” in the electric car market, with used prices of battery-powered vehicles dropping by 23pc in the last year alone.

The online vehicle marketplace said a motorist buying a £50,000 electric car could expect to lose £24,000 in value over three years, while a similarly priced petrol car could lose £17,000.

The value of used electric cars has dropped dramatically in the last 12 months after Covid-related supply shortages eased and as rising electricity prices hit demand.

This coincided with petrol prices falling to a two-year low.

Auto Trader’s latest report warned that “residual values of electric cars remain unsustainably low”.

[Car-Addicted]

Grid Modernization & EVs: Role of Technology in Grid Stability
January 15th, 2024
Vehicle-to-grid (V2G) technology is the focal point in integrating EVs into the power grid, significantly managing grid stability. This innovative digital technology enables EVs to supply power back to the grid during peak demands, enhancing grid management. With the convergence of energy and mobility sectors, V2G is set to become a commercially viable solution. This includes bi-directional charging, making EV charging smarter and more efficient. As EV adoption grows, V2G becomes a key digital technology in ensuring grid modernization and efficient energy management.

https://www.certrec.com/blog/grid-mo...rid-stability/

Huh would look like the grid has control over your EV when it's connected. I'll bet it can even not allow charging when the grid is under stress from something like say a severe cold snap? Where have I heard that before?
I'm sure this will be yet another thing EV'ers don't know or don't want to know.

The sheep don't know, the Wolves don't want to know.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Grid Modernization & EVs: Role of Technology in Grid Stability
January 15th, 2024
Vehicle-to-grid (V2G) technology is the focal point in integrating EVs into the power grid, significantly managing grid stability. This innovative digital technology enables EVs to supply power back to the grid during peak demands, enhancing grid management. With the convergence of energy and mobility sectors, V2G is set to become a commercially viable solution. This includes bi-directional charging, making EV charging smarter and more efficient. As EV adoption grows, V2G becomes a key digital technology in ensuring grid modernization and efficient energy management.

https://www.certrec.com/blog/grid-mo...rid-stability/

Huh would look like the grid has control over your EV when it's connected. I'll bet it can even not allow charging when the grid is under stress from something like say a severe cold snap? Where have I heard that before?
I'm sure this will be yet another thing EV'ers don't know or don't want to know.

The sheep don't know, the Wolves don't want to know.

I know grid power sharing is second to solar powered home charging as the enviro wet dream, but it's never made sense to me. In a zero carbon grid powered by sun and wind, EVs are supposed to backfeed the grid at night? Then what does the EV'er for juice in the morning when he needs to drive to work

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I know grid power sharing is second to solar powered home charging as the enviro wet dream, but it's never made sense to me. In a zero carbon grid powered by sun and wind, EVs are supposed to backfeed the grid at night? Then what does the EV'er for juice in the morning when he needs to drive to work

We’ll all have to become nocturnal, duhh.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

no need to be obtuse. Or maybe you're just thick? boring day to day driving requires no gas stations. I drive a total of about 12k miles a year with 9k of those miles on the EV... 3/4 of my driving requires zero time at a gas station.

You don't understand the definition of "never."

[Prossx]

Meanwhile in Chicago

https://qz.com/chicago-evs-tesla-col...ent=1851178029

[carseatsm5]

More EV production cuts.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Prossx

Meanwhile in Chicago

https://qz.com/chicago-evs-tesla-col...ent=1851178029

From the article:

"This can lead to your EV’s range decreasing when temperatures dip below freezing. According to Canadian telematics analysis firm Geotab, at 5F (-15C), EVs drop to 54% of their rated range, meaning a car that is rated for 250 miles (402 km) will only get on average 135 miles (217 km)."

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

From the article:

"This can lead to your EV’s range decreasing when temperatures dip below freezing. According to Canadian telematics analysis firm Geotab, at 5F (-15C), EVs drop to 54% of their rated range, meaning a car that is rated for 250 miles (402 km) will only get on average 135 miles (217 km)."

Going from this my first thought is people travelling in an EV some distances in those temps not in the know or not that bothered with how the range can drop in sub zero temps could be unknowingly putting their lives at risk if they should become stranded, just hoping for the best with a charger they presume will work or if they can even find one on the way.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Going from this my first thought is people travelling in an EV some distances in those temps not in the know or not that bothered with how the range can drop in sub zero temps could be unknowingly putting their lives at risk if they should become stranded, just hoping for the best with a charger they presume will work or if they can even find one on the way.

There is a stretch of the Trans Canada Highway in northern Ontario where it's over 300 miles between gas stations. I'd have some concern in my diesel pick up with a full tank and 600+ mile range in really cold weather. Bad things can happen, but I wouldn't even consider it in an EV of any description.

[Llarry]

I posted this before, but then deleted it as I had already posted it in the OT LOL thread, but damn the rules, I'm posting it again, even if it is a cross-post. It is so pertinent to this thread...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

There is a stretch of the Trans Canada Highway in northern Ontario where it's over 300 miles between gas stations. I'd have some concern in my diesel pick up with a full tank and 600+ mile range in really cold weather. Bad things can happen, but I wouldn't even consider it in an EV of any description.

I've seen a map of the TCH and understand your concern of being stranded running out of fuel with such a distance between fuel stations. Would be wise to have a jerry can with some fuel in it just in case to take you further.
With an EV the same situation would be far more concerning.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Grid Modernization & EVs: Role of Technology in Grid Stability
January 15th, 2024
Vehicle-to-grid (V2G) technology is the focal point in integrating EVs into the power grid, significantly managing grid stability. This innovative digital technology enables EVs to supply power back to the grid during peak demands, enhancing grid management. With the convergence of energy and mobility sectors, V2G is set to become a commercially viable solution. This includes bi-directional charging, making EV charging smarter and more efficient. As EV adoption grows, V2G becomes a key digital technology in ensuring grid modernization and efficient energy management.

https://www.certrec.com/blog/grid-mo...rid-stability/

Huh would look like the grid has control over your EV when it's connected. I'll bet it can even not allow charging when the grid is under stress from something like say a severe cold snap? Where have I heard that before?
I'm sure this will be yet another thing EV'ers don't know or don't want to know.

The sheep don't know, the Wolves don't want to know.

The power grid couldn't handle the load and the gov. has to ask everyone not to change their EVs, not cooking with electric stoves..... just recently happened in Alberta, Canada for five day straight. Is it going to happen again this winter, the chances are pretty high

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I know grid power sharing is second to solar powered home charging as the enviro wet dream, but it's never made sense to me. In a zero carbon grid powered by sun and wind, EVs are supposed to backfeed the grid at night? Then what does the EV'er for juice in the morning when he needs to drive to work

Welcome to the dark side of the world !!!

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

From the article:

"This can lead to your EV’s range decreasing when temperatures dip below freezing. According to Canadian telematics analysis firm Geotab, at 5F (-15C), EVs drop to 54% of their rated range, meaning a car that is rated for 250 miles (402 km) will only get on average 135 miles (217 km)."

I heard some of the recommendations they recommend ppl to do with the EVs in the cold weather. If the EVs cost $30000, I can live with it, but for a EV $70000+, this is stupid.

1. Plugging the vehicle in and running the heating system for 20 to 30 minutes before taking it for a drive

2. Charge more frequently during colder weather. Good luck to find a empty working charging station.

3. Drivers should turn down the cabin heater and use seat warmers and a heated steering wheel to stay warm