Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I continue to enjoy my EV. A buddy of mine in Minnesota continues to love his EV. Saw a post on Twitter from a lady with a multi-EV household in Colorado that loves their EVs.

Chicago has very few level 3 chargers. It is certainly something to work on. Also people need to precondition their batteries on the way to a supercharger. It is easy to do.

Finally, for those having their 12 volt batteries die in the cold. That is definitely a thing. I had that happen to my ICE in the dead of winter years ago. The 12 volt batteries don't last forever and when they do die on you it does suck.

So you call a neighbor or family or friend, get a jumpstart. Drive to the local Autozone and have the parts monkey install a fresh battery. Takes maybe an hour. Then you have 5 to 7 years of cold starts ahead of you.

If you live in a cold climate perhaps a preemptive 12V battery replacement every 5 years is warranted. Sort of like preconditioning the HVB EV battery on the way to the frozen Tesla charger. Good ICEV stewardship.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

This is a great video and has been posted before, there are similar videos that are out there from different places around the world. This isn't a problem unique to LA it illustrates the fact that has been discussed at length on this thread. The infrastructure just isn't there. The basic start up is already failing to meed the demand and to get sufficient chargers that work (99+% of the time like gas pumps do) to meet a full transition will likely never happen.

Of course and with all the chargers that are faulty or just not working in such an easy going place like LA (where they should really mostly be fine) one can only imagine what it's like in places that are extremely cold, as seen in the vid above.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

This is a great video and has been posted before, there are similar videos that are out there from different places around the world. This isn't a problem unique to LA it illustrates the fact that has been discussed at length on this thread. The infrastructure just isn't there. The basic start up is already failing to meed the demand and to get sufficient chargers that work (99+% of the time like gas pumps do) to meet a full transition will likely never happen.

I think the key takeaway was the point about Tesla's vertical integration EV>Charger>payment situation vs. CCS system chargers that have to communicate to 40 or so different EV manufacturers. Obviously CCS is an SAE charging standard with comms protocols, but it seems it doesn't work very well.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This is the view of EVs presented in this thread:https://www.reddit.com/media?url=htt...7eb49393670fe8
It is just as realistic.

I hope you made a mistake in your url or your in more trouble that I first thought?

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Treating EVs as a Group and Individually

Grid operators can use EV aggregation to collectively control the charging of large numbers of EVs. Determining how much power should flow from the grid to aggregated EVs is not as simple as adding up each individual EV's charging capacity. This is because an EV can be plugged in but already fully charged, so it could be assigned charging from the aggregate that it cannot fulfill. This can lead to unrealistic estimates of how much charging aggregated EVs can accept. Inaccurate estimates impact the grid's ability to meet all power demands in the most efficient and cost-effective way. So operators need a way to send charging signals that can be disaggregated to fit individual EV capabilities.
https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/20...-charging.html

Bottom line is you can't opt out. If there is a issue with the power available on the grid you lose.

I don't even know what to say, this is the stupidest discussion I have ever been a part of. You're living in some alternate reality. Managed charging is not mandated, and doesn't even exist in most places. Even if I wanted to be a part of a managed charging network, my electricity supplier doesn't have a system set up.

But keep on living in your own alternate reality. It's pretty clear that these conversations are pointless because even when proven wrong, you still think you're right. Going to abandon this thread now. Enjoy your anti-ev life.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I continue to enjoy my EV. A buddy of mine in Minnesota continues to love his EV. Saw a post on Twitter from a lady with a multi-EV household in Colorado that loves their EVs.

Chicago has very few level 3 chargers. It is certainly something to work on. Also people need to precondition their batteries on the way to a supercharger. It is easy to do.

Finally, for those having their 12 volt batteries die in the cold. That is definitely a thing. I had that happen to my ICE in the dead of winter years ago. The 12 volt batteries don't last forever and when they do die on you it does suck.

Aren't 12v battery deaths a major pain when they happen in EV? (Appreciate newer ev use 16v?) Also chance of 12v battery premature failure is much more prevalent in EV.

[gblansten]

Per spotted_model on Twitter and he lives somewhere in the northern US:

"Drove the YP an hour to the airport Tuesday morning early in snow and -18° weather. Of course warmed the car up in the garage for 5 minutes before I left. Comfy trip. Got to the airport at 54%. Neighbor texted me as I was in the air coming home last night after hearing all the Chicago horror stories asking if I need a ride home. Told him I would be fine. Got to the car after it had been cold soaked for 36 hours. Battery was down to 50%. Preheated as I walked through the airport. Got home an hour and 15 later at 19% and plugged in for today. Pretty boring story I know."

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Per spotted_model on Twitter and he lives somewhere in the northern US:

"Drove the YP an hour to the airport Tuesday morning early in snow and -18° weather. Of course warmed the car up in the garage for 5 minutes before I left. Comfy trip. Got to the airport at 54%. Neighbor texted me as I was in the air coming home last night after hearing all the Chicago horror stories asking if I need a ride home. Told him I would be fine. Got to the car after it had been cold soaked for 36 hours. Battery was down to 50%. Preheated as I walked through the airport. Got home an hour and 15 later at 19% and plugged in for today. Pretty boring story I know."

Thats really great, I live almost 3 hours from the airport. Again, if it works for you then great but not everyone has the same circumstance.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Aren't 12v battery deaths a major pain when they happen in EV? (Appreciate newer ev use 16v?) Also chance of 12v battery premature failure is much more prevalent in EV.

Not sure. They are easy to access since they sit in the front just under the near windshield plastic piece. I saw a video and it comes off easy. Tesla roadside or a dealer could replace.

[STATIC A$TRO]

I love fossil fuel... the way it combusts in the engine gets me going.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Thats really great, I live almost 3 hours from the airport. Again, if it works for you then great but not everyone has the same circumstance.

Everyone should decide on their use case. My airport parking garage has NACS chargers available and they tend not to be full.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I hope you made a mistake in your url or your in more trouble that I first thought?

I tried to find that on YT but couldn't.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

This Is the Biggest Problem With EV Adoption | WSJ

Excellent info. I was thinking LA (California) will have an excellent and mature infrastructure for EVs charging. I guess it is not. Not to say, Canada is 10 years behind LA.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

That was a very well done video. Thanks for posting.

I've been keeping up with the Polar Vortex (fancy for "Cold Snap") charging issue and winter driving issues over on an EV forum. What a cluster f. Why anyone would buy a $50K EV just to add this much hassle to their life has me completely befuddled. Last night driving home from my office after my H3T cold soaked all day in 15 deg. F, I was pondering about the Great Polar Vortex EV Fiasco of 2024 and amusing myself thinking how privileged I am driving a truck all toasty inside with a GM small block under the hood.

This whole EV thing is a joke.

Exactly If you have more than one car in your household that is ICE, then having a EV is fine as a toy Life is already full of drama why add one more (EV)

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Clearly Alaska gets winter as does Chicago and Saskatchewan. You are clearly a fan of Tesla and I guess you've figured it out and it works for you, but this video illustrates the challenges that will happen if mass adaption or mandated adaption happens. A great deal of NA experiences these cold temperatures in winter, some will suggest it's usually not long term, maybe only 20 or 30 days a year. But as more and more people make the change these challenges will get much worse.

Well said We have to include those future drivers don't know anything about the potential issues about the EV and EV chargers. All in their heads are driving from point a to point b.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by STATIC A$TRO

I love fossil fuel... the way it combusts in the engine gets me going.

You name it, 2 strokes, 4 strokes I got them

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

You name it, 2 strokes, 4 strokes I got them

I love this game.

19 engines in total:
51 cylinders in total
7 ea. 2-stroke
12 ea. 4-stroke.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

19 engines in total:
51 cylinders in total
7 ea. 2-stroke
12 ea. 4-stroke.

Pure evil is what you are.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The coolest one is a little Subaru bilge pump. Tiny little 2-stroke.

Cool but not this cool. Around 5 HP in proper tune. .21CI hold in your hand.

https://www.reds-racing-usa.com/721pista

[Efthreeoh]

QUOTE=Car-Addicted;30824941]Pure evil is what you are. [/QUOTE]

The coolest one is a little Subaru bilge pump. Tiny little 2 stroke. PVK-101.

https://images.app.goo.gl/y763mVjpH8bDiok98

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Cool but not this cool. Around 5 HP in proper tune. .21CI hold in your hand.

https://www.reds-racing-usa.com/721pista

You guys are into R/C too. I am big fan of R/C plane and helicopter.

These are the coolest, smallest 4 stroke engines I have
https://www.osengines.co.jp/english/...alog/36410.htm
https://www.osengines.co.jp/english/...log/3A010.html

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Pure evil is what you are.