Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I don't know what the big deal is with ppl thinking 'I must get an EV at all costs'

Whatever you do don't ever put an EV into your garage, keep the thing outside to protect the house and keep the occupants safe.

I know where i will park my EV if I have a troublesome neighbor. Opps

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

I know where i should park my EV if I have a troublesome neighbor. Opps

He has to be a really bad one for that

[XutvJet]

A person in my extended family owns an insurance brokerage firm. I asked him last night if insurance companies are evaluating fire risk if an EV is parked inside an insured home garage or within home structure like a lean-to. He said absolutely they are and EV owners should expect to see home insurance increases in the coming years because of this risk. He said insurance companies understand an ICE car parked within a home structure poses fire risk and that is already backed into premiums (the risk considered low), but with EVs, the concern is the extreme heat, intensity, prolonged burn, and more toxic vapors of an EV battery fire.

I also asked about charging stations in the home and he said there isn't much chatter about that and if there was a fire caused by the charging station, they'd likely go after the installer in most cases, unless of course the home owner installed one themselves without a permit (most municipalities require some type of permit for install). If that's the case, the home owner may be out of luck with coverage.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by crAbb

Tesla Hearse?
That's cold even for this forum.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

A person in my extended family owns an insurance brokerage firm. I asked him last night if insurance companies are evaluating fire risk if an EV is parked inside an insured home garage or within home structure like a lean-to.

When ask about the content's of your garage there is only one reply

[Car-Addicted]

Why Teslas Won’t Charge in Freezing Temps
1/16/24
Tesla owners in the Chicago area are finding themselves in a huge pickle this week with temps dipping into the negative double-digits. As drivers seek fast charging through Tesla’s Supercharger network, the cold weather is so severe it’s preventing vehicles from accepting a charge.
EVs don’t take well to charging in subzero temps because their batteries need to be at optimal operational warmth. In most seasons, this isn’t an issue. But in hypercold conditions, the battery must be preconditioned.
According to Tesla’s Model S owner’s manual, “Tesla recommends activating climate settings at least 30-45 minutes before departure (see Operating Climate Controls). Preconditioning times depend on outside temperature and other factors. The mobile app will notify you once your vehicle has reached the desired preconditioning temperature.”
It’s possible the stacks of Tesla drivers stranded at Supercharger stations didn’t precondition their batteries. At this time, Tesla cars don’t have a manual preconditioning procedure. So, at a certain point, a dead Tesla stuck outside in subzero weather simply won’t accept a charge. They’ll have to be towed somewhere warmer, like an indoor setting with a charger. That would be the indoor facility heated by..... wait for it...... wait for it...... Yes Fossil fuels
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-tes...reezing-temps/

Kind of a shame to pick on Tesla on this one as this will effect any EV or any thing with a battery. My Kubota diesel was pretty dam unhappy at 14deg this morning but it started. Now here is the kicker. When a cold snap hits and when green idiots and stupid politicians do permanent damage to our power grid, Do you think they are going to let you have their precious electrons for your car when people are freezing to death?
If you answered yes, you are a moron and deserve what ever happens to you.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Why Teslas Won’t Charge in Freezing Temps
1/16/24
Tesla owners in the Chicago area are finding themselves in a huge pickle this week with temps dipping into the negative double-digits. As drivers seek fast charging through Tesla’s Supercharger network, the cold weather is so severe it’s preventing vehicles from accepting a charge.
EVs don’t take well to charging in subzero temps because their batteries need to be at optimal operational warmth. In most seasons, this isn’t an issue. But in hypercold conditions, the battery must be preconditioned.
According to Tesla’s Model S owner’s manual, “Tesla recommends activating climate settings at least 30-45 minutes before departure (see Operating Climate Controls). Preconditioning times depend on outside temperature and other factors. The mobile app will notify you once your vehicle has reached the desired preconditioning temperature.”
It’s possible the stacks of Tesla drivers stranded at Supercharger stations didn’t precondition their batteries. At this time, Tesla cars don’t have a manual preconditioning procedure. So, at a certain point, a dead Tesla stuck outside in subzero weather simply won’t accept a charge. They’ll have to be towed somewhere warmer, like an indoor setting with a charger. That would be the indoor facility heated by..... wait for it...... wait for it...... Yes Fossil fuels
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-tes...reezing-temps/

Kind of a shame to pick on Tesla on this one as this will effect any EV or any thing with a battery. My Kubota diesel was pretty dam unhappy at 14deg this morning but it started. Now here is the kicker. When a cold snap hits and when green idiots and stupid politicians do permanent damage to our power grid, Do you think they are going to let you have their precious electrons for your car when people are freezing to death?
If you answered yes, you are a moron and deserve what ever happens to you.

All they needed to do was go into nav and choose the supercharger they were driving to and it would then precondition the battery. Then charging would have gone well.

I also have no sympathy for the morons that don’t precondition the interiors of their Teslas while complaining about how hard it is to open their door handles.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

When ask about the content's of your garage there is only one reply

I know nothing, I touch nothing. I don't know why the EV is in my garage

[NikMN]

MN is not that different from IL weather wise. I expect my appliances to work cold or not. Maybe tesla owen's can contact coustemer services to get this problem resolved 😉

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

More shocking news from the world of global warming idiots.
Texas Grid Operator Asks Residents to Conserve Energy, Unplug Appliances, Amid Bitter Cold Snap Due to Issues with Solar, Wind Generation
Jan. 15, 2024
Texas grid operator ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas) on Monday asked residents to conserve electricity use as temperatures fall below zero with the wind chill in some parts of the state.
The Texas grid operator begged residents to avoid using large appliances, lower thermostats a degree or two, turn off and unplug non-essential lights, and set pool pumps to run early morning or overnight; shut off during peak hours due to issues with solar, wind generation.
According to ERCOT, solar and wind generation this week are forecast “to be lower than seasonally expected” during peak hours:

Why the Request to Reduce Usage?
Weather. Most of Texas is seeing extremely cold temperatures for an extended period of time.
Demand. Texas is experiencing record-breaking demand due to the cold weather.
Solar. Solar generation isn’t available in the early morning hours, which is a peak demand time during winter, and slowly ramps up as the sun rises.
Wind. Wind generation is forecasted to be lower than seasonally expected in the early morning hours.

When will they learn?

Common sense is not built for some I guess. If google say it is right, then it must be right.

[M5Rick]

Needless to say there's no EV's in my garage

[Car-Addicted]

Ruh Roh
Assessing the value of electric vehicle managed charging: a review of methodologies and results
Unmanaged EV charging can stress existing grid infrastructure, possibly leading to operational, reliability, and planning challenges both at the Managed charging can support power system planning and operations during normal and extreme conditions, benefitting EV owners and other electricity consumers. However, the costs of enabling these services must be weighed against the benefits they provide. We summarize the benefits of managed EV charging, provide an overview of the landscape of existing implementations and costs of managed charging in the United States, critically review the state of the art of methodologies in analysis/modeling studies, and quantify the cost and benefits of managed charging as reported in the reviewed studies. Finally, we distill several key insights outlining the factors affecting the value of managed EV charging and identify critical gaps and remaining challenges to fully realize effective EV-grid integration.

Active managed charging programs provide utilities, or a market aggregator working with charging networks, with the capability to determine and/or control charging time, scale, and location, “in order to achieve a variety of outcomes, such as managing peaks, absorbing excess renewable generation or supplying some ancillary services to a structured market.” These programs rely on a reliable two-way flow of information that includes 1) a transport layer which relies on a communication signal via Wi-Fi, cellular, vehicle telematics, etc. to send the charging instructions and 2) a messaging protocol or standard that can help the device understand and execute the instructions.
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/arti.../ee/d1ee02206g

You EV guys are so "F"ed Better get that Honda generator in your trunk.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Why Teslas Won’t Charge in Freezing Temps
1/16/24
Tesla owners in the Chicago area are finding themselves in a huge pickle this week with temps dipping into the negative double-digits. As drivers seek fast charging through Tesla’s Supercharger network, the cold weather is so severe it’s preventing vehicles from accepting a charge.
EVs don’t take well to charging in subzero temps because their batteries need to be at optimal operational warmth. In most seasons, this isn’t an issue. But in hypercold conditions, the battery must be preconditioned.
According to Tesla’s Model S owner’s manual, “Tesla recommends activating climate settings at least 30-45 minutes before departure (see Operating Climate Controls). Preconditioning times depend on outside temperature and other factors. The mobile app will notify you once your vehicle has reached the desired preconditioning temperature.”
It’s possible the stacks of Tesla drivers stranded at Supercharger stations didn’t precondition their batteries. At this time, Tesla cars don’t have a manual preconditioning procedure. So, at a certain point, a dead Tesla stuck outside in subzero weather simply won’t accept a charge. They’ll have to be towed somewhere warmer, like an indoor setting with a charger. That would be the indoor facility heated by..... wait for it...... wait for it...... Yes Fossil fuels
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-tes...reezing-temps/

Kind of a shame to pick on Tesla on this one as this will effect any EV or any thing with a battery. My Kubota diesel was pretty dam unhappy at 14deg this morning but it started. Now here is the kicker. When a cold snap hits and when green idiots and stupid politicians do permanent damage to our power grid, Do you think they are going to let you have their precious electrons for your car when people are freezing to death?
If you answered yes, you are a moron and deserve what ever happens to you.

It is already killing me for pre-condition my G82 (warming up) for 5 mins before driving every morning. 30-45 mins precondition for a EV, no thank you.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Why Teslas Won’t Charge in Freezing Temps
1/16/24
Tesla owners in the Chicago area are finding themselves in a huge pickle this week with temps dipping into the negative double-digits. As drivers seek fast charging through Tesla’s Supercharger network, the cold weather is so severe it’s preventing vehicles from accepting a charge.
EVs don’t take well to charging in subzero temps because their batteries need to be at optimal operational warmth. In most seasons, this isn’t an issue. But in hypercold conditions, the battery must be preconditioned.
According to Tesla’s Model S owner’s manual, “Tesla recommends activating climate settings at least 30-45 minutes before departure (see Operating Climate Controls). Preconditioning times depend on outside temperature and other factors. The mobile app will notify you once your vehicle has reached the desired preconditioning temperature.”
It’s possible the stacks of Tesla drivers stranded at Supercharger stations didn’t precondition their batteries. At this time, Tesla cars don’t have a manual preconditioning procedure. So, at a certain point, a dead Tesla stuck outside in subzero weather simply won’t accept a charge. They’ll have to be towed somewhere warmer, like an indoor setting with a charger. That would be the indoor facility heated by..... wait for it...... wait for it...... Yes Fossil fuels
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-tes...reezing-temps/

Kind of a shame to pick on Tesla on this one as this will effect any EV or any thing with a battery. My Kubota diesel was pretty dam unhappy at 14deg this morning but it started. Now here is the kicker. When a cold snap hits and when green idiots and stupid politicians do permanent damage to our power grid, Do you think they are going to let you have their precious electrons for your car when people are freezing to death?
If you answered yes, you are a moron and deserve what ever happens to you.

But, but, but... ICEV do it too!

[Car-Addicted]

Managed EV Charging
Managed EV charging is an adaptive means of charging EVs which considers both vehicle energy needs and control objectives, typically designed to provide grid support or mitigate the impacts of EV charging. The benefits of managed charging range from reducing electrical equipment upgrades, maximizing the value of local generation, and reducing the cost of grid energy. Managed charging also ensures that fleet vehicles are properly powered when needed, while reducing unnecessary burden on the building infrastructure and supporting a more reliable and resilient grid.
https://www.energy.gov/femp/managed-...mobile-storage

That is government speak for we will allow you to charge your EV's if we don't need the electricity elsewhere. If you have a issue with that: Call the US Department of Energy.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Managed EV Charging
Managed EV charging is an adaptive means of charging EVs which considers both vehicle energy needs and control objectives, typically designed to provide grid support or mitigate the impacts of EV charging. The benefits of managed charging range from reducing electrical equipment upgrades, maximizing the value of local generation, and reducing the cost of grid energy. Managed charging also ensures that fleet vehicles are properly powered when needed, while reducing unnecessary burden on the building infrastructure and supporting a more reliable and resilient grid.
https://www.energy.gov/femp/managed-...mobile-storage

That is government speak for we will allow you to charge your EV's if we don't need the electricity elsewhere. If you have a issue with that: Call the US Department of Energy.

Typical answer you get from the government. Call this number and get lost. The solution is install a power generator at home to charge your EV.

[Car-Addicted]

Why you should not charge a lithium battery below 32 degrees
If you have a Lithium (LiFePO4) battery, there are some things to consider when charging under extreme temperature conditions.
Lithium battery manufacturers often state an operational temperature range of -30°C to +80°C / -22°F to +176°F and an optimal temperature range of -10°C to +50°C / 14°F to 122°F (this varies depending on brand and model, consult your manufacturer). This is often misconstrued as a safe temperature range for both charging and discharging, this is not the case. The operational temperature range is referring to discharging the battery only.
Charging a Lithium battery in ambient temperatures below 0°C / 32°F must be avoided. The reason for this is it may potentially damage the battery and / or reduce its lifespan.
The optimum ambient temperature for charging a Lithium battery is +5°C to +45°C / 41°F to 113°F.
When attempting to charge a Lithium battery below 0°C / 32°F a chemical reaction referred to as “Lithium Plating” occurs. Lithium plating is caused by the charge current forcing the lithium ions to move at a faster reaction rate and accumulate on the surface of the anode.

When this chemical reaction occurs, the internal resistance of the battery increases and reduces the rate of chemical metabolism. This chemical reaction causes a permanent reduction of the battery’s capacity and will continue to reduce its capacity each time this reaction occurs.

If you plan on using a Lithium battery in a location that may drop below 0°C / 32°F, you must be cautious as to when you attempt to charge the battery. Simply waiting for the temperature to raise during the day is a simple solution. Having the batteries mounted in a location that will have a higher ambient temperature than outside temperature is also advisable.
https://www.redarcelectronics.com/us...ow-32-degrees/

[M5Rick]

Meanwhile back over here in not too frozen Britain..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2282...-dont-want-it/

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Why Teslas Won’t Charge in Freezing Temps
1/16/24
Tesla owners in the Chicago area are finding themselves in a huge pickle this week with temps dipping into the negative double-digits.

Better not own a diesel truck either... negative double digits is gelled diesel fuel. Had to give an industry acquaintance a ride back from a ski resort because his truck gelled up in the parking lot on a really cold day last season...

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by dfox

Better not own a diesel truck either... negative double digits is gelled diesel fuel. Had to give an industry acquaintance a ride back from a ski resort because his truck gelled up in the parking lot on a really cold day last season...

If you burn "auto diesel" and not AG diesel and user Diesel fuel additive and drain the fuel filters regularly you will not have a issue with gelling. Between growing up on a farm and my ski area experience with snow cats I have never seen a issue. My Kubota sits out side all winter. . Then again some folks can screw up anything.

Now this is cold! Here is what a new truck sounds like in -31 degrees

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Why you should not charge a lithium battery below 32 degrees
If you have a Lithium (LiFePO4) battery, there are some things to consider when charging under extreme temperature conditions.
Lithium battery manufacturers often state an operational temperature range of -30°C to +80°C / -22°F to +176°F and an optimal temperature range of -10°C to +50°C / 14°F to 122°F (this varies depending on brand and model, consult your manufacturer). This is often misconstrued as a safe temperature range for both charging and discharging, this is not the case. The operational temperature range is referring to discharging the battery only.
Charging a Lithium battery in ambient temperatures below 0°C / 32°F must be avoided. The reason for this is it may potentially damage the battery and / or reduce its lifespan.
The optimum ambient temperature for charging a Lithium battery is +5°C to +45°C / 41°F to 113°F.
When attempting to charge a Lithium battery below 0°C / 32°F a chemical reaction referred to as “Lithium Plating” occurs. Lithium plating is caused by the charge current forcing the lithium ions to move at a faster reaction rate and accumulate on the surface of the anode.

When this chemical reaction occurs, the internal resistance of the battery increases and reduces the rate of chemical metabolism. This chemical reaction causes a permanent reduction of the battery’s capacity and will continue to reduce its capacity each time this reaction occurs.

If you plan on using a Lithium battery in a location that may drop below 0°C / 32°F, you must be cautious as to when you attempt to charge the battery. Simply waiting for the temperature to raise during the day is a simple solution. Having the batteries mounted in a location that will have a higher ambient temperature than outside temperature is also advisable.
https://www.redarcelectronics.com/us...ow-32-degrees/

You know we all saying "You don't need to be a rocket scientist to read this or understand this" Now I can proof this statement is 100% wrong when we are talking about EV. You do need to be a rocket scientist to understand what is all about EVs.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Meanwhile back over here in not too frozen Britain..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2282...-dont-want-it/

Exactly the same things my ex tesla friends told me. One of my friends has to wait for 7 months for the replacement door coming from US.