Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

I enjoy those post. EVs are the future. IF the solid state battery, sodium batteries and other next gen batteries live up to the hype (500+ mile ranges and charging times of 30 minutes or less) it's hard to imagine the ICE surviving in consumer vehicles. My guess is that the 2030s will see the end of ICE powered consumer vehicles.

We'll see.

Why are EV the future? Numerous people state this but never follow up with explicit reasons the statement is true.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Seems it's time to post this again for those who think fossil fuels are unnecessary.


The refining of a barrel of crude oil has somewhat fixed derivative products. If you want planes to fly than you will need to have a percentage of gasoline. If you want roads to drive your EV's on you will have a percentage of gasoline.
https://www.breakthroughfuel.com/blog/crude-oil-barrel/

Because all those container ships and jet airliners will be EV. It's just a solid state battery away.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

I enjoy those post. EVs are the future. IF the solid state battery, sodium batteries and other next gen batteries live up to the hype (500+ mile ranges and charging times of 30 minutes or less) it's hard to imagine the ICE surviving in consumer vehicles.

First the major point for me and many many others is being forced directly or indirectly to adopt the EV. If others want to buy EV's and they pay their fair share (No rebates from tax payers) and an appropriate payment of highway taxes, then I say great. I do think the environmental damage of manufacturing and shipping LiPo batteries is a major embarrassment that should be considered but then again fossil fuel users should own the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and other spills.
I share your hope for future battery technology but you need to consider one factor. If I run out of fuel I can hitch a ride to a gas station and pick up a gallon of Fuel. Can a EV owner go pick up a can of electricity? This leaves us with Hybrids and current technology on these (with a couple exceptions) are worthless. They are nothing more that EV with a ICE back up. Real Hybrid technology needs to be a down sized ICE with a battery enhancement. More like WEC and Formula One and less like BMW's X5 xDrive50e.

Originally Posted by dwwStL

My guess is that the 2030s will see the end of ICE powered consumer vehicles. We'll see.

Never going to happen, a million reasons this is an impossibility have been posted here over the last several years. This is as close to a second amendment issue as you can get.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Because all those container ships and jet airliners will be EV. It's just a solid state battery away.

I think you're not nearly sarcastic enough, remember most of these folks think Lithium, Cobalt, Copper mining and processing is saving the planet.

[dwwStL]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Why are EV the future? Numerous people state this but never follow up with explicit reasons the statement is true.

Didn't I just do that? Have you driven an EV? The only thing holding them back is the battery tech. IF that is conquered, as it appears to be in the next few years, EVs are superior in every way. With 500+ mile range and quick charging, an ICE powered vehicle is primitive by comparison.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Why are EV the future? Numerous people state this but never follow up with explicit reasons the statement is true.

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Didn't I just do that? Have you driven an EV? The only thing holding them back is the battery tech.

[dwwStL]

Here is a good primer on the future of EV batteries.

There is a lot of info out there now on the next gen batteries and it's pretty exciting.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Here is a good primer on the future of EV batteries. There is a lot of info out there now on the next gen batteries and it's pretty exciting.

I think you will find that most of the contributors on this forum are pretty versed on battery technology. I own a company that sells LiPo batteries. Here is a better article on the solid state battery.
What are solid-state batteries and why do we need them?

Think back to the introduction of solid-state HD's. Lots of promises followed by low capacity and high prices before fulling the promises.
My servers still run conventional HD's

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Here is a good primer on the future of EV batteries.



There is a lot of info out there now on the next gen batteries and it's pretty exciting.

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Have you watched any of the MacMaster vids of real time ownership of an EV..

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

EDIT : I just read the Belgian government (The Muppet Show) has ordered 500 (!) 'Electric BYD buses in China !
The Belgian bus factory Van Hool will not survive that ...

But hey ! You can buy 'American freedom in China too

And the cars come with free bomb, 100% free and very effective to destroy anything within 20 feet.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'll let someone else prove that

I heard ppl are asking in this forum for advice of putting cheap gas octane 87 into their G8X. If they can own a BMW, I think I have no problem at all.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I think you will find that most of the contributors on this forum are pretty versed on battery technology. I own a company that sells LiPo batteries. Here is a better article on the solid state battery.
What are solid-state batteries and why do we need them?

Think back to the introduction of solid-state HD's. Lots of promises followed by low capacity and high prices before fulling the promises.
My servers still run conventional HD's

My company switched to SSD's for corporate laptops about 2 years ago, I'm on my 3rd already. First one failed in 6 months, the 2nd one made it just over a year. Both had bad sectors that grew until they corrupted the boot BIOS.

I also used to run a data center in my last job were we had a lot of video servers (video on demand) I was replacing high end top $$ SSD's almost weekly. solid state is a decade or two away from being as reliable as conventional. I type this on my conventional drive laptop that has 7 years of hard service life on it, not a single issue so far. Some may say I've had bad luck, I say there is a pattern... And I didn't even mention all the flash drives I've had go bad.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We got one who made himself a king over here that talks to trees and flowers and wants everyone to ride a bicycle while he has a gas guzzler 60's limo and a fleet of Astons,Jags and Land Rovers heheh

We have one in Canada and he think he is god. Anything he touch turn into vapour but he is so good to say sorry.

[Car-Addicted]

eugenebmw, more to the point in this video are the economics involved in chasing the Green Grift. China may be forced to begin open hostilities with the west to keep their homeland in control. We have seen this before.

Here is a interesting article dealing with Germany's economy That link with this video.
Germany is about to have its worst year yet economically
1/7/2024
Germany, Europe’s largest economy, is on the cusp of what may be its most challenging year yet.
Germany’s economic woes are multi-faceted. The nation is currently facing an energy crisis exacerbated by the Ukraine conflict and its aftermath, significantly impacting its gas supply. This crisis has placed immense pressure on the manufacturing sector, a cornerstone of the German economy. The situation is further compounded by global economic headwinds, including a downturn in demand and challenges in the electric vehicle industry, where Germany lags behind competitors like China’s BYD Co. and Tesla.
The country’s infrastructure and bureaucratic hurdles have also played a part in dampening economic growth. Germany’s approach to transitioning to climate-friendly energy and its reliance on off-balance sheet funding methods have been met with legal challenges, adding to the uncertainty. Moreover, the government’s constitutional borrowing limit has hamstrung its ability to inject significant fiscal stimulus into the economy.
This is evident in the German VDA auto lobby’s report showing a significant decline in passenger car production.
The Bundesbank projects only a modest growth of 0.4% for this year
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...ly/ar-AA1mA63o

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . It feels colder but that's 'still cold enough , over here (Wednesday) we'll get a -8 with snow .

I'm pretty sure , -8 is enough to drain the batteries of a cheap Chinese fire-starter bus !

LMFAO !!!

You just need a bigger fireplace than can fit the whole car in. It will keep you warm for a long time cuz we all know how long a EV car will burn.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I thought they were in Tesla's also, cameras all around them and if you're a 'thr eat' then an eye in the sky takes control of car, dump the EV's now before its too late.

This will be my last post talk about EV and I am going to delete all my social media accounts. Same reasons

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

One good thing about ev they don't get stolen much.
A. Not many people want them
B. Police can catch them as they can't run far
C. If you put them on a container and ship them to Africa nowhere to charge them
D. Manufacturers can shut them off remotely
Credit where its due

Oh crap, I miss all the good points. Thank you for the reminding

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

And the cars come with free bomb, 100% free and very effective to destroy anything within 20 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhnArkZTu8&t=634s

Wow. A flying car. Autonomous Traffic jam assist perhaps.
Is this included in the msrp or an optional extra?

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I get the feeling that some Greenies, Grifters, Global elites and Gov idiots wake up and their first thought's are, “what can we do today to take down fossil fuel's and ICE vehicles” ?
Haha, what a bunch of fascists.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

My company switched to SSD's for corporate laptops about 2 years ago, I'm on my 3rd already. First one failed in 6 months, the 2nd one made it just over a year. Both had bad sectors that grew until they corrupted the boot BIOS.

I also used to run a data center in my last job were we had a lot of video servers (video on demand) I was replacing high end top $$ SSD's almost weekly. solid state is a decade or two away from being as reliable as conventional. I type this on my conventional drive laptop that has 7 years of hard service life on it, not a single issue so far. Some may say I've had bad luck, I say there is a pattern... And I didn't even mention all the flash drives I've had go bad.

My data centre are using 100% SSD for storage. It cost my company 2 million dollar for 120 TB of storage. The storage system was built like a tank and fairly reliable. But be honest, how many organizations can afford this kind of investment.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Wow. A flying car. Autonomous Traffic jam assist perhaps.
Is this included in the msrp or an optional extra?

I think it is called James Bond option. Self destroy and it is free of charge. Handy feature to have when you are charging your EV cars in public. No one dare to steal your car. The best protection for car but not your money

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Didn't I just do that? Have you driven an EV? The only thing holding them back is the battery tech. IF that is conquered, as it appears to be in the next few years, EVs are superior in every way. With 500+ mile range and quick charging, an ICE powered vehicle is primitive by comparison.

I have driven several EV. So the battery tech, it's taken industry 15 years to get lithium-ion battery cost down to the flat part of the cost curve to around $130/kWh and EV are about $15K more expensive than their ICEV equivalent (Tesla being the possible exception). And most manufacturers are losing their ass on EV profitability.

Now we are expecting a lithium solid state battery to provide energy density that gives somewhere between 400 to 600 miles range per charge and recharges in 5 to 10 minutes. But nothing written so far discusses the manufacturing cost curve and what the $/kWh will start at and where and when the curve flattens out. All for a battery with much higher performance. On top of what is the necessary charging infrastructure required to charge such a battery. But poof! the magic battery tech will happen and make ICEV obsolete. Industry hasn't even figured out how to mass produce the solid-state battery architecture, let alone knows what the costs are.