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04-07-2021, 05:02 AM | #508 | |
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3 series is selling well I thought it wouldn't great to see that. Also wonder why Mercedes a class is selling well but no mention of 1 series on there. |
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04-07-2021, 07:34 AM | #509 |
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What are you talking about?
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04-07-2021, 07:48 AM | #510 | |
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Not sure why anyone would care that Tesla sold 7k 3's in the U.K. in March but thanks for posting.
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04-07-2021, 11:09 PM | #511 | |
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You see, every year for the last 5 years the same Tesla Q1 talking points get rolled out: ► In January, Tesla haters: "ZOMG Tesla Euro sales have imploded!" ► In March, Tesla fanbois: "ZOMG Tesla Euro sales are an all-time high!" What's going on here is 3 things: (1.) Tesla doesn't have European factories (yet) So all vehicles must be imported from the US or China - this takes time to make & ship the vehicles. (2.) Tesla, driven by Musk, batches deliveries by quarter So he can report great numbers, and get quarterly analyst sunshine. (3.) Tesla sells as many vehicles as it can produce So Tesla's sales numbers are irrelevant to anyone not ignorant - Tesla is battery & production capacity limited, thus why they're building factories simultaneously on 3 continents. If you want to compare to the bigs, VW sells as many BEVs as it can make in a few days, i.e., VW has excess BEV capacity ... so who would you want to be? The company that sells everything it can make or the company who doesn't? |
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04-11-2021, 08:30 PM | #513 |
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Sandy Munro has been digging into the ID.4 (after previously digging into a Model 3) and the results are like every company that's been disrupted in the last 20 years:
Old company builds new thing! but it's really just the old thing with barely enough to make it the new thing (rather than a ground-up new design). Tesla still has zero competitors from the Bigs except *maybe* Ford. The coming Chinese imports will probably be Tesla's biggest competitors ... |
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04-14-2021, 09:29 PM | #514 |
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This is really bizarre - VW releases a "new" platform that's really an old platform, with the suspension of a econobox and a bunch of super heavy unnecessary parts in a car where weight is a key factor ... The no-money quote:
"I thought they were going to design something to compete with Tesla" "I lost 22% of charge in just a few miles" This is not the platform that's gonna beat Tesla ... or probably even survive > 3 years. No wonder Porsche said no thanks! |
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04-15-2021, 05:30 PM | #518 | |
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stein_325i's road & track text says it best: VW's new BEV platform is loser. They're being disrupted. Munro's underbody review of the car is ... Well, it's stunning that the world's largest auto manufacturer can design & build such a dud. Overall: * Ford might have something * Porsche's doing well & Maybe Audi * Benz seems to be really kicking it up a notch with their EQS designed from scratch and their kickass seeming AMG hybrids And then all the startups ... and Tesla. Right now the 2030 global auto market is Tesla's to lose. |
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04-16-2021, 12:04 PM | #519 |
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Let's hope Porsche's latest efforts on their platform will surpass VW's because this beautiful A6 E-Tron Concept that recently leaked will be riding on it.
Audi is definitely winning when it comes to designs right now. |
04-17-2021, 02:47 PM | #520 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...ric-car-market
I think elon musk took on the Germans but fostered the Chinese who have been desperate to break in to the automotive industry which was the only one to not have the 'made in china' tag. It's going to be fun. |
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BEVs! The Chinese have at least 400 BEV startups, and had them WAY before Elon showed up, but they're also actively culling them with a *published* target of ~160, i.e., only the best survive ... so why bring in Elon? BECAUSE THE CHINESE DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHO'S MAKING THE CARS, JUST THAT THEY'RE MADE IN CHINA! The Chinese aren't stupid - they realize that Chinese branding might be troublesome - so they're spreading their bets by encouraging a Western brand because they learned that lesson in electronics when battling the Koreans or in textiles when battling ASEAN. And, hmmmm, in what other industry did the Chinese pull this same trick and invite in a Western brand with favorable terms and use that brand to become massive ... #AndroidOnly
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All of the western auto companies were in China a decade ago and China bought Volvo in 2010 in an attempt to break into the auto market ... but I think it became obvious there was no way for them to outproduce Western ICE... But then around 2014 the Chinese realized BEVs could be a thing - and western manufacturers were nowhere. Once they started looking at the global transportation, parts, and oil markets they seem to realize they could disrupt the West: LONDON, Sept. 14, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- 2014 may be called the "first year" of the development of Chinese electric vehicles, with annual sales reaching 74,763, 3.2 times higher than in 2013. With the ascent in the global electric vehicle market, China becomes the second largest market in the world after the United States, eyeing 23.5% market share. Among the top 20 most popular models in 2014, BYD Qin, Kandi K10, Chery QQ3 EV, Zotye E20, BAIC E150 EV and BYD e6 came from China, representing a combined 15.3% share of total sales in the global market.So of course China would invite Tesla in, just like they did Apple. Ultimately I think the Chinese are going after the energy market - they want to be the Middle East of 21st century energy. China is more than happy to let Western countries fight internal sectarian culture wars while they quietly subsume majority production in every industry, and eventually become the World's reserve currency.
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