Seller warning - damaged not as described

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

[murderspice]

We gonna need to see the original ad now.

[05Mdriver]

Originally Posted by murderspice

We gonna need to see the original ad now.

Sure thing :

Originally Posted by 05Mdriver

Genuine / OEM BMW 19 inch wheels with Pirelli WINTER tires

Tires are:

245/40/19 and 275/35/19

TPMS is installed for G30.

The wheels have been refinished / repaired at some point but show well with not many scratches. All are straight and true.

1450 picked up outside phila. Will ship as well.

05mdriver@gmail.com

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by 05Mdriver

The wheels have been refinished / repaired at some point but show well with not many scratches.

Not my fight, but in post #22 (https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=22) you deny knowledge of any repairs; yet, in your listing, you say the opposite. A brash person would suspect the listing you posted was altered.

[05Mdriver]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Not my fight, but in post #22 (https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=22) you deny knowledge of any repairs; yet, in your listing, you say the opposite. A brash person would suspect the listing you posted was altered.

The listing was updated as sold / deleted after Michael purchased them. I do this to all of my threads (see my history).

A result of this thread was that I asked a moderator go in and reinstate the ORIGINAL post.

Post is here -

https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2003543

It has not been modified by me since August when updated "sold" - the time stamp remains the same - but the moderator just put the original content back in today, thankfully.

Apparently I misspoke in the email, but the fact remains, the original post stated :

"The wheels have been refinished / repaired at some point "



Recapping with another TLDR:

Original post stated "repaired / refinished", Michael wanted to return shortly after delivery, I approved return no problem, Michael refused to pay return shipping. He kept the wheels and drove on them for months, hit a pothole / road debris etc in Chicago winter months, and now seeking compensation.

[salukimike]

Creative and hilarious since the link you added (that you clearly updated) is not even the correct original post. I didn’t purchase them until 9/1. Your linked post you claim was sold on 8/29.

I’m not sure I understand the angle here.

First in an email you claim they were never repaired.

Then you claim I damaged them even though I provided evidence that they were damaged before I ever put them on the car. Then you tell me to ‘drive on them’ so I did as you asked. And they proved to be damaged.

Now you are claiming you originally said they were ‘repaired’

And you think it’s reasonable to ask the buyer to cover your shipping costs?

If you’re such a good seller on this forum with a great reputation you’d do the right thing and take them back and issue a full refund, that’s what any legit seller would do.

You’ve got my email and phone number, feel free to reach out, we get it resolved and get on with life.

[mjr24]

You both are problems. I wouldn’t want to buy from or sell to either of you….

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 05Mdriver

Ill share my side.

As a highly rated, long time forum member and frequent seller of wheels, I am quite familiar with them and how to describe when selling online. I do not have a history of misleading forum members because I simply, do not do it.

I had posted a cheap set of winter wheels and very clearly wrote in the description, “The wheels have been repaired and refinished.”

Michael contacted me about the wheels, beat me up on price, and wound up getting a smoking deal on a cheap set of functional OEM BMW wheels, Pirelli runflat winter tires, and genuine OEM BMW TPMS installed, all shipped right to his doorstep.

Upon delivery, before mounting, Michael emailed me and said the wheels vibrate, but yet he had not put them on.

I asked him to mount them and then see if they vibrate. He then mounted them, and immediately said they vibrate. I replied that I find it very difficult to believe as I watched them spin perfectly true and receive a fresh machine balance, moments before packing and shipping out. I do this process for every single set of wheels I sell by the way - all wheels get a fresh spin balance right before packing and shipping.

Michael requested a refund anyway, which I then APPROVED.

Again, I APPROVED a full refund and that I would take them back, no problem. Michael however refused to take any responsibly or ownership of his purchase decision, and refused to pay the return shipping costs.

A few months went by, the wheels never showed up, and Michael never contacted me again.

I took this as he was keeping the wheels, they did not vibrate, and they did not leak. They were perfectly functional like the post stated they were.

This was a the end.

All of a sudden, months after he has been driving on them without issue, I get an email stating there is a leak and he was asking for compensation.

I stated the wheels did not come with, nor were implied to come with a road hazard warranty, and during months of him driving on the wheels without issue in Chicago winter, all of a sudden it seems he had hit some sort of road debris / pothole / curb / etc. and damaged his wheel causing a leak.

I got a few more recent emails from him demanding compensation, a full refund, and the most recent one threatening a court case.

I did not reply as I had already previously agreed to a full refund on the original baseless claim (The wheels vibrated before he even mounted them), and since Micheal was so dead set on not paying for return shipping, I felt there was no progress to be made in more correspondence.

I tried to make things right, I accepted his return request, but this isn’t an Amazon type purchase with free return shipping, especially since the wheels were indeed originally described to have been repaired / refinished.

I suppose my question is:

Where does my responsibility end ?

I already approved a full refund for a baseless claim, but now months later I have to pay for damage Michael caused himself by hitting a pothole / road debris / etc in a Chicago winter ?

Am I responsible if he runs over a nail next week ? Am I responsible if a TPMS battery goes bad in 2 years ?

At what point does Michael own the wheels, and I no longer.

Your points sound fair to me, over here it's sold as seen and if it's not new then the purchaser takes the risk, always best to carry a spare with change tools in the car anyway and with your huge distances over there it's not always possible to view in person.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

dude IDK what any seller tells me, its buyer beware on classifieds....buyer sat too long even tho seller was slightly shady

[MmmmmM2]

Any time you buy something used, well....

[STATIC A$TRO]

you got got, yes he did state they were refinished / repaired but didn't show the inside of the wheel where the damage was.