BMW sedan (5-series) performs worst in crash test ?!? WTH?

[tctic]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

ok, if you dont want to trust an independent study, who are you willing to chose? Its a fact that kia has been making safer and safer cars to the point that they ourperform the "luxury" makes. If this stings, thats too bad, its reality.

ive seen the E90 do well, but i remember watching a clip on tv that showed the E93 with poor head protection in side impacts.

Yes, I agree. KIA had been improve drastically over the last few years. Look at their test results from the same institute a few years back. They all get "Poor" ratings. Now, it's a different story.

[shadowcoder]

Originally Posted by Revlis

Just remember that ANYTHING you read Watch or listen to in the media has been tailored to create a response, an emotion or by some other means attract and hold attention, cause drama if possible... There is no more PRESS, no truth out there. Take everything with a grain of salt...



This sentence right there tells me that there is most likely a angle, a hook, or some preconceived direction intended for the article. It's not about crash safety, it's about KIA.

Which stands for Killed In Action BTW...

While things you hear/watch in the media are targeted to create a
response/sensation, I would never trust the crash tests/rating of a
vehicle manufacturer. Why? Because none of them is going to say
that their cars do badly on crash tests. They also play a game like
the media too. And if they don't they are just shooting themselves
in the foot.

Imagine if you go to your dealer to buy an E9x you sit down and you
ask: so what's gonna happen to me if a truck/SUV hits me on the side
at 30mph?

Do you think anyone would buy the car if they would answer: well
you'll end up with some ribs broken, head injuries, pelvic bone fractures,
leg injuries etc etc. But we assure you we do actual simulation and
computer ones and our cars are fine

You would probably say, thank you very much and walk out the door

BMW needs to get its act together for all of its sedans. When I bought
my E90 I had considered the 5 series but then I saw the crash test
ratings. Nop, that vehicle wasn't for me and my family. The E9x is a
bit better but it's not "up there" and for the money we are paying, it
should have been doing better in my opinion.

[tctic]

Originally Posted by shadowcoder

While things you hear/watch in the media are targeted to create a
response/sensation, I would never trust the crash tests/rating of a
vehicle manufacturer. Why? Because none of them is going to say
that their cars do badly on crash tests. They also play a game like
the media too. And if they don't they are just shooting themselves
in the foot.

Imagine if you go to your dealer to buy an E9x you sit down and you
ask: so what's gonna happen to me if a truck/SUV hits me on the side
at 30mph?

Do you think anyone would buy the car if they would answer: well
you'll end up with some ribs broken, head injuries, pelvic bone fractures,
leg injuries etc etc. But we assure you we do actual simulation and
computer ones and our cars are fine

You would probably say, thank you very much and walk out the door

BMW needs to get its act together for all of its sedans. When I bought
my E90 I had considered the 5 series but then I saw the crash test
ratings. Nop, that vehicle wasn't for me and my family. The E9x is a
bit better but it's not "up there" and for the money we are paying, it
should have been doing better in my opinion.

But the E90 is scoring the maximum possible points in both the EuroNCAP test (literally 100%) and IIHS test (Good Rating). For the side impact, the E90 earned (90 something %, best in class and was the highest scoring side impact in all classes at time of publication) and a "Good" rating in IIHS. Together with excellent vehicle dynamics control and handling, the E90 is "up there" if that's what you are talking about.

[mayno]

Originally Posted by shadowcoder

While things you hear/watch in the media are targeted to create a
response/sensation, I would never trust the crash tests/rating of a
vehicle manufacturer. Why? Because none of them is going to say
that their cars do badly on crash tests. They also play a game like
the media too. And if they don't they are just shooting themselves
in the foot.

Imagine if you go to your dealer to buy an E9x you sit down and you
ask: so what's gonna happen to me if a truck/SUV hits me on the side
at 30mph?

Do you think anyone would buy the car if they would answer: well
you'll end up with some ribs broken, head injuries, pelvic bone fractures,
leg injuries etc etc. But we assure you we do actual simulation and
computer ones and our cars are fine

You would probably say, thank you very much and walk out the door

BMW needs to get its act together for all of its sedans. When I bought
my E90 I had considered the 5 series but then I saw the crash test
ratings. Nop, that vehicle wasn't for me and my family. The E9x is a
bit better but it's not "up there" and for the money we are paying, it
should have been doing better in my opinion.

totally agree w/ you!

for the rest that think that these independent crash test reviewers have motive to disparage BMW, you're wrong. their PRIMARY motive is to measure how SAFE a car is using a consistent crashing/testing methodology.

we need institutes like these to keep us safe!!! and BMW needs to do everything in their POWER to fix this.

I have a family, and part of the reason I bough 3 BMW's in the past 5 years is because of 4 core things: quality, looks, performance and safety! all being equal. if they lack on safety, then BMW will go downhill very fast!

[BK]

Originally Posted by tctic

But the E90 is scoring the maximum possible points in both the EuroNCAP test (literally 100%) and IIHS test (Good Rating). For the side impact, the E90 earned (90 something %, best in class and was the highest scoring side impact in all classes at time of publication) and a "Good" rating in IIHS. Together with excellent vehicle dynamics control and handling, the E90 is "up there" if that's what you are talking about.

Agreed. This is sucky news for 2008 BMW 5-series owners (no doubt BMW will try to do better for the 2009), but this is irrelevant for 3-series owners.

[mesier1111]

Read the below link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070816/...h_tests_sedans

Geez, guess when I need something bigger than a 3er I am off to buying an E-class. How demoralizing.

[Crimson92]

Im not saying this because i have one, but i feel very safe in my E

[LEDZEP]

That's a shame. You'd think the manufacturers would do these tests themselves before going into production.

[FirstClass]

Hit by the arm rest? lol

[tctic]

5th Post on the forum on this topic. Also the 4th REPOST! Search before you post.

Let's wait for the 5th Repost...

Edit: Reposted threads combined by moderators.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by e30klassic

"This was one test on one day on one car."

Sounds like a student who just flunked an exam, they had a bad day and would have done better any other time. What an embarassment, and it's an '08 to boot. People in the office were talking about this article and laughing about BMW drivers--lucky there are a lot of us!

[ALPINE6SPD]

go buy a kia then

[justchecking]

Originally Posted by e30klassic

Here's the story that i got from yahoo thiz morning, I don't believed it's true.......

BMW sedan performs worst in crash test

By DEE-ANN DURBIN, AP Auto Writer
Thu Aug 16, 6:42 AM ET

All of the sedans tested were 2007 models except the 5 Series, which was redesigned for 2008, institute spokesman Russ Rader said.

I get a feeling when a more expansive 5 series performed worse than a Kia amanti in side impact tests, how would have 3 series performed. Probably quite badly. This is a bad news for BMW owners. I guess when so much hype is built around a product, it loses its quality. After BMW was able to establish its brand, the quality went down. If not for Lexsus and Acuras of the world, BMW would be like a landrover. Big name and no substance. Lucikly japanese luxury brands started giving BMW and Mercs a run for money. Hopefully it will make BMWs of the world to regain quality or they stand to lose market share.

[tctic]

Originally Posted by justchecking

I get a feeling when a more expansive 5 series performed worse than a Kia amanti in side impact tests, how would have 3 series performed. Probably quite badly. This is a bad news for BMW owners. I guess when so much hype is built around a product, it loses its quality. After BMW was able to establish its brand, the quality went down. If not for Lexsus and Acuras of the world, BMW would be like a landrover. Big name and no substance. Lucikly japanese luxury brands started giving BMW and Mercs a run for money. Hopefully it will make BMWs of the world to regain quality or they stand to lose market share.

As mentioned by many before, the 3 series sedans (E90 or even the E46) had proved to be outstanding in crash test results. The E90 scored 90+% in the side impact (best in class) and 100% in frontal impact from EuroNCAP and "Good" ratings for both frontal and side impact on IIHS. No crash tests had yet to give a mediocre/average/poor overall rating for the E90. But if you are talking about the E93 side impact, that's another story.

[Cadillac Johnson]

I think BMW did this on purpose, they'll probly add a full 12 point 25.1 SFI cage to the accessories list.

[c0nstant]

Originally Posted by Bimmer335i07

Sorry, this has nothing to do with the e9x.

You should post this on the 5 series forum. If they have one.

this is the right section to post something like this..

[TheAcAvenger]

On another note, how long until the RL wins an award for safest car ever.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Similar to the '07 X5 completely failing the whiplash protection/headrest crash test. BMW has got to do better for crash safety tests with the IIHS (which is more respected than U.S. Fed. Gov't crash tests); otherwise, BMW will be getting a very bad name in auto crash safety!!!!

what about with the PROcede...
Ah, wrong post here