Anonymous e-mail

[PLAYON]

Originally Posted by anmcguire

Don't be so self loathing man... it's OK.

you have no sense of humor ----->

[radix]

Originally Posted by PLAYON

you have no sense of humor ----->

I didn't know if you were trying to be funny or an jerk... my bad. No smiley.

[Rick]

Who ever knew this thread would turn into a dick-swinging contest..

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by rickc

True.. MadDog is being a paranoid bitch.. He thinks she will track him down somehow.. I mean... there are some pretty crazy bitches out there. Ever seen Fatal Attraction?

Bunny Boilers FTL!

Yep. I'm afraid she'll go postal, and my office is right next to hers.

[jhv]

good luck maddog

[schnell325]

Keep us posted

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by jh valley

good luck maddog

Originally Posted by schnell325

Keep us posted

Thanks. The problem is that I've been the one that's mainly been complaining about her. Any type of "anonymous" retaliation would definitely focus attention on me. I'll think of something....

[- Paul -]

Just wear some awful crap yourself - really slug it on!

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by - Paul -

Just wear some awful crap yourself - really slug it on!

I was thinking about that.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by - Paul -

Just wear some awful crap yourself - really slug it on!

Brut or Drakkar

[radix]

Originally Posted by damadama

Actually I think gmail and hotmail will tag the email headers with your IP address even though you used their webmail service. In the same manner as you can view anyone's IP who sends you an email to google or hotmail or yahoomail.


And if thats the case all it takes is a little tech savvy and you're fucked. Nice try to ancmguire, maybe you should investigate these things before you give anyone bad advice :P

Just did a quick check:

gmail masks your IP, so unless you are doing something to someone in china you should be safe

hotmail & yahoo will get you busted via the header file

No, you won't get busted... as long as you don't send the email from work. Besides, if you're really that worried about your home IP showing up in an email, use Tor. The bottom line though, is that if he doesn't do anything illegal his coworker won't be able to figure out who he is. His ISP isn't going to give up RADIUS/DHCP lease log information unless asked by a law enforcement agency. Don't get technical with me man, you almost certainly don't have the know how. I used to run an ISP (as in network engineer/unix sysadmin), so I have a good idea of what I'm talking about.

EDIT: About the most you'll be able to figure out without information from the ISP is who the ISP is and general location (city) based loosely off of DNS, the ARIN WHOIS database, or a proprietary database such as geonetmap. This *still* does not tell a recipient who *you* are, only the general location of the machine the email came from, and even that's not certain due to the existence of programs such as Tor.

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by damadama

Sounds like he is at work and somewhat frustrated with this particular coworker. The way I read your post was saying to just boot up hotmail and send her a nasty email. In which case you would likely get your balls nailed to the wall.

Yes its likely that an ISP won't comply with a formal IP look-up request unless you get a court order, but that isnt to say you can't get that information from someone. That is of course if you are personable and easy to get along with, I know most super technical ubergeeks such as yourself are the most opinionated, hard-to-deal-with asses in the world... so that might not be an option for you. (Flame on, I'm in software development for a living, so tell me that i'm talking out of my ass....)

I'm also a software developer, hold a very high gov't security clearance, and work for a major defense contractor. Sending her a nasty e-mail, if I'm caught, wouldn't be the smartest thing to do.

What else can I do ??? I've complained to two managers, and everyone in the section was briefed on cubicle etiquette - which was mainly directed at the secretary. She, however, seems to think that it wasn't, and continues on in her bitchy ways.

I'm was thinking about filing an HR complaint, but don't want to possibly screw up my professional career. Finding a good, well-paying job in the Bay Area is not easy.

Any other suggestions ??

[radix]

Originally Posted by damadama

Sounds like he is at work and somewhat frustrated with this particular coworker. The way I read your post was saying to just boot up hotmail and send her a nasty email. In which case you would likely get your balls nailed to the wall.

Yes its likely that an ISP won't comply with a formal IP look-up request unless you get a court order, but that isnt to say you can't get that information from someone. That is of course if you are personable and easy to get along with, I know most super technical ubergeeks such as yourself are the most opinionated, hard-to-deal-with asses in the world... so that might not be an option for you. (Flame on, I'm in software development for a living, so tell me that i'm talking out of my ass....)

It's cool, here's what I posted originally...

Originally Posted by anmcguire

Don't worry about your IP address, they never be able to track it down anyhow as long as you don't do anything illegal, just don't send the email from your network at work.

What I meant to imply is if you posted from a throw-away account from your home address, you'll be fine as with even the most thorough investigation they'll only be able to figure out rough proximity of the machine the mail was sent from. Getting the information required to tie the IP address to a name isn't easy as most ISPs are pretty stringent about passing out personal info to anyone other than LEOs for legal reasons. The don't want to be sued, plus it's just more work for the system/network admin to dig through the logs and put the pieces together..

The chances of a secretary:

1. Finding the X-Originating-IP SMTP header in the email.
2. Knowing how to do some variant of dig/nslookup or whois.
3. Being savvy enough to successfully employ some sort of social engineering hack to get the info from the ISP.

are essentially nil. Add Tor in, and they almost nil becomes zero.

[radix]

Originally Posted by MadDog

I'm also a software developer, hold a very high gov't security clearance, and work for a major defense contractor. Sending her a nasty e-mail, if I'm caught, wouldn't be the smartest thing to do.

What else can I do ??? I've complained to two managers, and everyone in the section was briefed on cubicle etiquette - which was mainly directed at the secretary. She, however, seems to think that it wasn't, and continues on in her bitchy ways.

I'm was thinking about filing an HR complaint, but don't want to possibly screw up my professional career. Finding a good, well-paying job in the Bay Area is not easy.

Any other suggestions ??

Type an anonymous letter at home, print it, and slip it under her door?!?

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by damadama

MadDog, just out of curiosity... what does it take to get a high-level security clearance?

I was pondering a job opportunity and someone told me they will likely put me on a lie detector and my past extracurricular activities will have me excluded from the job even after I pass all of the interview stages and stuff =/

Background and financial checks, polygraph tests about any criminal/civil activities and lifestyle (are you gay or have gay thoughts ??) questions.

Not getting a clearance depends on the extracurricular activity. Obviously, if you robbed a bank or killed someone you're not getting a clearance. Also, doing drugs in the recent past excludes you. I think they allow you to have "experimented" when you were younger, but don't quote me. One guy here wasn't granted a Secret clearance just because his now ex-wife had run up a bunch of debt on his credit cards before they were divorced.

PM me with your "past extracurricular activities" details if you'd like, and I'll check with my security office for his opinion.

[radix]

Originally Posted by MadDog

Background and financial checks, polygraph tests about any criminal/civil activities and lifestyle (are you gay or have gay thoughts ??) questions.

Not getting a clearance depends on the extracurricular activity. Obviously, if you robbed a bank or killed someone you're not getting a clearance. Also, doing drugs in the recent past excludes you. I think they allow you to have "experimented" when you were younger, but don't quote me. One guy here wasn't granted a Secret clearance just because his now ex-wife had run up a bunch of debt on his credit cards before they were divorced.

PM me with your "past extracurricular activities" details if you'd like, and I'll check with my security office for his opinion.

Did you go through a full SSBI? I was cleared TS/SCI/TK, and yeah, it was a pain in the ass. I can't imagine that's gotten any better. The annual NCIS "interviews" were always fun as well. They actually asked about beastiality FFS, among other things.

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by anmcguire

Did you go through a full SSBI? I was cleared TS/SCI/TK, and yeah, it was a pain in the ass. I can't imagine that's gotten any better. The annual NCIS "interviews" were always fun as well.

Yes, and more. It's about the same as it's always been.....

[radix]

Originally Posted by MadDog

Yes, and more. It's about the same as it's always been.....

Hey wait, aren't you supposed to have boobs in your avatar?

[schnell325]

Get a Doctor's note saying you have a sensitivity to perfumes/strong smells.....present to boss....and go up the chain of command as needed.

This might work

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by anmcguire

Hey wait, aren't you supposed to have boobs in your avatar?

Send me a picture of some nice tittays, and I'll replace my current sig pic.

Notice how I said NICE. I don't want some whale tits in my sig.

[radix]

Originally Posted by damadama

Uhh, no I havn't robbed a bank or murdered anyone. My financials look good, I think I'm pretty normal when it comes to not being gay or watching beastiality. I have however smoked myself retarded on a regular basis for several years during college and experimented with halucinogens. My main concert is when they go down the list of drugs and I can check off atleast trying a good number of them (most worried about the fact that i've tripped on LSD like 50 times)

Hard drug usage, or excessive usage of any sort of drug is a show stopper. You can often get a waiver for light/experimental stuff though. My knowledge on this subject is a little dated though, my last clearance adjudication took place circa 2002. They will go through the list, drug by drug during the interview, at least they did with me. They even tried to trick me...

Investigator: Cocaine?
Me: No.
Investigator: Acid?
Me: No.
Investgator: Amphetamines?
Me: No.
Investigator: Orange juice?
Me: Yes.
Investigator: Just checking... Marijuana?
Me: No.
etc.

[bmwturbopower]

why don't you go get one of those stink bomb capsules and break it on or near her desk? or better yet. Put some OUST or febreeze air effects on her desk