F1 2023: Italian GP - Monza (Sept 3)

[GuidoK]

Toto can't be happy for anyone except his own team.
And if you then win nothing for a long time..... you have a miserable life...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX's issue in the last laps was his HONDA PU ...
The HONDA PU was running too hot . That's why he had to lift it in the last laps ..
Can be just normal . Because today he pushed it beyond the limits ...

Same with any PU if you push it hard like Max had to overcome car 55 then the heat generated will eventually make the cooling system work overtime and the needle starts edging the red zone, especially on these with no cooling fans.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Bottas was a perfect #2. Fast enough to pick up the pieces but not fast enough to challenge hammy for a title. MB just got rid of him because they thought Russell Boy was going to be something special...Wrong

How to we know being that the car is still behind RB and Ferrari?

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I mean : BOT was leaving the Mercedes team while he was bleeding a lot ...

Won't you ? If you had a teammate like LEW !

No2 is hard at teams who are dominating or expected to dominate. I'm sure Checo thinks his job is constantly in jeopardy.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Mr Pete

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wo...dia-/10515824/

Is Toto usually this petty? Rather than being professional and just taking the high road and praising an accomplishment? I’d hate to work for this guy. He seems like the type who’ll tell an employee something positive, but only talk immense shit about that same person to others haha

Everyone at Mercedes must still be in shock at how badly things have turned. The RB car is just so dominant this year.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Everyone at Mercedes must still be in shock at how badly things have turned. The RB car is just so dominant this year.

I think saying Max has been dominant is more accurate. If it was the car itself, races would be easy RB 1-2 finishes. The field is the closest it has ever been in history and the driver needs to be on top of it because a small slip could mean the difference of 5-10 places in a race.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Mr Pete

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wo...dia-/10515824/

Is Toto usually this petty? Rather than being professional and just taking the high road and praising an accomplishment? I’d hate to work for this guy. He seems like the type who’ll tell an employee something positive, but only talk immense shit about that same person to others haha

Wolff is a true shame for motorsports !

[Killed by Death]

For those that missed it

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

No2 is hard at teams who are dominating or expected to dominate. I'm sure Checo thinks his job is constantly in jeopardy.

Sure it's 'very hard being teammate from the best of the world .
MAX won 10 races in a row !

Today Checo ran a fantastic race at P2 , but It's not always been like that in the first half of the season .
I'm pretty sure Checo gets his Red Bull seat in 2024 as well .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Everyone at Mercedes must still be in shock at how badly things have turned. The RB car is just so dominant this year.

That's Wolff's own mistake , with his zero sidepod design .The thing looked like 5H1T !
By his own stubbornness he created a Dracula car !

Won't be easy to fix that in 2024...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

For those that missed it

Good Lord . What was that !!!

Hope the driver is OK ?
And the car catches fire ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

For those that missed it

At that top speed not even the anti roll flaps will save the car.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Good Lord . What was that !!!

Hope the driver is OK ?
And the car catches fire ...

He is racing tonight in Darlington SC with black eyes

[Mr Pete]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

For those that missed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZImPzbs5ig

That’s a hard one to watch. I’m glad he wasn’t seriously injured when he got out of the car.

Ovals are no joke, those dudes are bonkers to race like that for those many laps haha

[G30M]

I keep thinking - Ferrari instead of fighting Max were fighting each other.

Would the end result be different? Probably not, but I think they gave up whatever small chance they had to beat Max.

Ok I'm going to crawl under my desk now ....

All I'll say is Max did 16 quali laps and forced one very small mistake on Carlos and he pounced. If Carlos drove 51 perfect laps he would have kept Max behind. But Carlos is no Max. Max in the Ferrari would have beaten Max in the RB.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

He is racing tonight in Darlington SC with black eyes

When you are wearing a full face helmet and the impact / G's are bad enough to cause blood vessel bursting in your eyes, you need to be an adult and sit it out. Just passing concussion protocol should not be enough.

"NASCAR on Fox reporter Bob Pockrass, Preece takes off his sunglasses to reveal the extent of the bruising. His eyes are still visibly bloodshot, which Pockrass attributes to blood vessel bursting "typical after a flip."

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by g21

I keep thinking - Ferrari instead of fighting Max were fighting each other.

Would the end result be different? Probably not, but I think they gave up whatever small chance they had to beat Max.

Ok I'm going to crawl under my desk now ....

All I'll say is Max did 16 quali laps and forced one very small mistake on Carlos and he pounced. If Carlos drove 51 perfect laps he would have kept Max behind. But Carlos is no Max. Max in the Ferrari would have beaten Max in the RB.

I think this is true. Max in the Ferrari would not have lost.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Bottas was a perfect #2. Fast enough to pick up the pieces but not fast enough to challenge hammy for a title. MB just got rid of him because they thought Russell Boy was going to be something special...Wrong

Agreed on the latter. He is simply not that good, but then again he's learned the worst ways of racing since arriving at MB. The only guy who has more incidents than him is his teammate. Neither are great wheel to wheel racers. No one really understood that about Ham until recently (though the racing with Ros foreshadowed it) since it's easy to look good when your car is 1 second clear in quali and 2 seconds per lap faster in a race. Now that he actually has to use talent and skill to race, the mistakes are abundant, and often quite egregious for a nearly 20 year veteran. Beyond that, he isn't great under pressure, either doing the former or messing it up all on his own. It boggles the mind to watch what he did to Pia today - the only thing is, the penalty was nowhere near stringent enough. It should have been a 10 sec drive through to make it fair.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by g21

I keep thinking - Ferrari instead of fighting Max were fighting each other.

Would the end result be different? Probably not, but I think they gave up whatever small chance they had to beat Max.

Ok I'm going to crawl under my desk now ....

All I'll say is Max did 16 quali laps and forced one very small mistake on Carlos and he pounced. If Carlos drove 51 perfect laps he would have kept Max behind. But Carlos is no Max. Max in the Ferrari would have beaten Max in the RB.

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I think this is true. Max in the Ferrari would not have lost.

The Max worship is getting a little deep in here.

[NickyC]

Congrats to Max for achieving one of the best records in all of F1!

Watching the race, two things stuck out to me. The forest around that area got absolutely demolished, like a tornado went through there. Sad to see all the trees which has seen so much history be destroyed!

Second, every time I looked at the Ferrari cars I thought....Germany. Leave it to Ferrari to put what is essentially the German flag on their car at their home race in Italy.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Congrats to Max for achieving one of the best records in all of F1!

Watching the race, two things stuck out to me. The forest around that area got absolutely demolished, like a tornado went through there. Sad to see all the trees which has seen so much history be destroyed!

Second, every time I looked at the Ferrari cars I thought....Germany. Leave it to Ferrari to put what is essentially the German flag on their car at their home race in Italy.

I thought the same thing about the trees

What happened? I forgot to ask

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I thought the same thing about the trees

What happened? I forgot to ask

I was watching F1 TV during qualifying and they said something about a huge storm going through there earlier in the year, with the loss of around 10,000 trees. They mentioned a huge replanting operation, but obviously it will be many years before the area is lush again.

It looks very similar to tornado damage. I'm from the Midwest where tornados unfortunately aren't uncommon, and that's how tree lined areas look after a tornado. They must have had one helluva storm there.

Here's some info: https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/ho...2023/10514674/