F1 2024: Singaporean GP - Singapore (Sep 22)

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Checo is P10 in the same RB20 car and Checo was lapped (!)
Then you should know what the MAX-Factor is ...

If you put me in the RB20, I wouldn’t even make out of the pit lane. Pérez is no Verstappen. The max factor only wins when there’s the car factor.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

If you put me in the RB20, I wouldn’t even make out of the pit lane. Pérez is no Verstappen. The max factor only wins when there’s the car factor.

As you say : Pérez is no Verstappen . Then you know it

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's just Brilliant my friend

After the finish line , It's been seen that RIC said goodbye to his car..

Think this was RIC's last F1 race ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

After the finish line , It's been seen that RIC said goodbye to his car..

Think this was RIC's last F1 race ...

Very sad to see him go (as it probably is) but like a money dealer in the City who lately can't make a pound then he's out.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

As you say : Pérez is no Verstappen . Then you know it

Oh, I see. It’s a max factor to win over second-rated drivers. Roger that.

[Artemis]

WCC Championship Points in the last 12 race weekends (12 GP + 1 Sprint: Imola to Singapore):

1. McLaren: 392
2. Mercedes: 265
3. Ferrari: 254
4. Red Bull: 236
5. Aston Martin: 44
6. Haas: 24
7. Williams: 16
8. Visa Cash: 15
9. Alpine: 12
10. Sauber: 0

WDC Championship Points in the last 12 race weekends (12 GP + 1 Sprint: Imola to Singapore):

1. Norris: 196
2. Piastri: 196
3. Verstappen: 195
4. Leclerc: 147
5. Hamilton: 147
6. Russell: 118
7. Sainz: 107
8. Perez: 41
9. Alonso: 29
10. Hulkenberg: 18
11. Stroll: 15
12. Albon: 12
13. Tsunoda: 8
14. Gasly: 8
15. Ricciardo: 7
16. Magnussen: 5
17. Ocon: 4
18. Colapinto: 4
19. Bearman: 1
20. Zhou: 0
21. Sargeant: 0
22. Bottas: 0

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

As you say : Pérez is no Verstappen . Then you know it

Hmm if LEW didn't start on softs I think he would have had a better race. All he did was hold up MAX with MAX forced to defend who could have attacked LAN at the start before the turn and got him behind him negating the Larens' aero advantage. Then LEW just held up George later as his softs approached the cliff making PIA come up closer with RUS radioing for LEW to get out of the way which he didn't.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Oh, I see. It’s a max factor to win over second-rated drivers. Roger that.

RBR are doing their best to rectify the situation with driver changes for underperforming drivers, which will come as a shock to some.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Oh, I see. It’s a max factor to win over second-rated drivers. Roger that.

So this means to you that LEW , Piastri , Rus , Charlie and Sainz are second-rated drivers ?

[fs1977]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Funny, not much swearing today. It must not be important for driving.

Or FOM just didn't air it today.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

RBR are doing their best to rectify the situation with driver changes for underperforming drivers, which will come as a shock to some.

RIC with pain in his voice (too bad) => https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank..._in_his_voice/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

RIC with pain in his voice (too bad) => https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank..._in_his_voice/

Hurting for sure but everyones time comes in F1 eventually.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

So this means to you that LEW , Piastri , Rus , Charlie and Sainz are second-rated drivers ?

Your words, not mine.

The max factor myth is a bust when not in max cars.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

RIC with pain in his voice (too bad) => https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank..._in_his_voice/

Verstappen on Ricciardo's possible end of F1 career tonight:
https://youtube.com/shorts/natYIhMLcro

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

The max factor myth is a bust when not in max cars.

"The Max Factor" consists of the racing skill to extract the maximum of what's practically extractable out of the tools and strategies put at an F1 driver's disposal.

Verstappen's former team mate Alex Albon basically explained (Dec 2023) that it's hard to keep up with Verstappen's evolution during a season - he operates on a different level with increasingly fine-tuned set-ups.

"The first thing is, you know, a lot of people say: "That car is built around him [Max Verstappen]", "He’s kind of like the Michael Schumacher of Ferrari, he’s created this team around him". But truthfully, the car is what it is, he is very quick. So what ends up happening is: he has quite a unique driving style, actually, it’s not that easy to get along with.
Everyone has a driving style. I would say my driving style [Alex Albon] is a bit more on the smooth side, but I like a car that has a good front-end, so quite sharp, quite direct. Max does too, but his level of sharp and direct is a whole different level – it’s eye-wateringly sharp.
To give people kind of maybe an explanation of what that might feel like. If you played computer games: if you bump up the sensitivity [on a computer mouse] completely to the max and you move that mouse and it’s just darting across the screen everywhere, that’s kind of how it feels. It becomes so sharp that it makes you a little bit tense.
So what ended up happening was, especially during my year: you start off being a little bit behind, but not by much. And then as the season goes on, and Max wants this front-end in the car, he wants his car to be sharper, sharper. And as it goes sharper and sharper, he goes quicker and quicker. And for you to catch up you have to start taking a little bit more risk. You might be a couple of tenths behind one session, just try a little bit more, ‘OK, I’ve gone off, I’ve had a crash’, and you’ve got to restart. Then you’ve lost a little bit of confidence, it takes a little bit more time, that gap is growing a little bit, and the next time you try and go out and do another job, [it’s] another spin or another whatever – and it just starts to snowball. And every time the car becomes sharper and sharper, you start to become more tense.
It’s like any sport, if you start to not be in that flow state, and you’re having to really think about it, and every time you go into a corner, you don’t know how it’s going to react, you don’t have that kind of… It’s purely the confidence in the car, the flow. It just doesn’t work, it never works."

See 00:01 - 02:37:

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Hurting for sure but everyones time comes in F1 eventually.

Yeah . RIC's pain must be terrible for him .
RIC lost it completely at McLaren , he looked like a broken man at McLaren .
RIC is been beaten in every race by Norris at McLaren ...

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Artemis

"The Max Factor" consists of the racing skill to extract the maximum of what's practically extractable out of the tools and strategies put at an F1 driver's disposal.

Nice try. Like if in the last 3 1/2 years there hasn’t been dozens if not hundreds of references (on this site) of the max factor being an exclusivity of Max Verstappen. How many times have yourself linked Lauda saying Verstappen is the talent of the century ? Sometimes I think you think I’m a fool.

But let’s go by your new metrics. Then that list is long, meaning, nothing too special or unique about Verstappen. (Personally, I find Verstappen exceptional.)

[fs1977]

Excellent posts above!

For me, best example of the so called max factor was Brasil 2016. That really showed how talented he is. But to be fair, like all toptop drivers, he needs a competitive car.

[///M Power-Belgium]

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[3798j]

They're making it look easy...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . RIC's pain must be terrible for him .
RIC lost it completely at McLaren , he looked like a broken man at McLaren .
RIC is been beaten in every race by Norris at McLaren ...

I'm sure he has a hefty nest egg to fall back on and a luxury pad with wife/family and any cars he desires unlike millions of mortals that get pensioned off and sum up how they can afford to continue for the future.

[toxik]

watching danny cry was tough