Update! Full Frontal Leak of BMW Vision Neue Klasse X!

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

I don't think there's any analysis that includes all the variables in producing and operating an electric vehicle, as well as repair and disposal. They certainly don't consider the particulate emissions studies that some have posted on the EV thread.

That said, this thread is about a new design. Can we post the EV comments on the thread I've linked? It has some info on the particulate emissions.
https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...19029&page=321

More false info (about sole owners etc). EVs become more environmentally friendly vs ICE the more miles are put on them. But everyone is right that full LCA (life cycle analysis) is the way to compare: the total emissions for all components of the vehicle for its its entire lifecycle. That includes mining, manufacturing, drilling and refining of oil and minerals, paint, to the crusher - every single component from cradle to grave.

One thing many will miss is that emissions from burning gas goes into the atmosphere, and stays there. EV batteries store the energy, and the minerals in the batteries can be recycled. The CO2 stays in the atmosphere for centuries. But but, ‘power production cause emissions,’ you retort? Maybe in some cases, but it can and is being made less fossil fuel centric. Once you buy an ICE, its future CO2 emissions are locked until the car is scrapped. Any power plant Co2 emissions for EV power will get greener over time. It’s going to happen quickly too. And ICE car sold today will be burning gas and emitting CO2 for 10-25 years.

There are much smarter people than anyone posting on Bimmerpost (well mostly) who have studied this and truly understand the LCA of EVs vs ICE. As of now, EVs are better after x number of miles driven, even after accounting for battery production. That will only get better as technology improves (and it will as people buy EVs)

All the nonsense about “tires!” serves to further distract and detract, giving a certain set of naysayers a talking point that will be promulgated by the “I do my own research” crowd. Fact is tire technology is also improving, and along with lighter batteries and lower EV weights, can be overcome.

What cannot be overcome is climate change caused by fossil fuel burning. We have to decarbonize or we will suffer the consequences.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by JorgenM

Wow, I like this a lot.

Converted to another brand some years ago (still have an i3 though) because BMW didn't have the BEV type I was looking for, but if this ends up looking like that I might go back again

How about the new iX2? It seems you would like a small BEV SUV, which I am also looking for.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by JorgenM

Wow, I like this a lot.

Converted to another brand some years ago (still have an i3 though) because BMW didn't have the BEV type I was looking for, but if this ends up looking like that I might go back again

I too left BMW in 2021 because they didn’t have the EV I wanted. The polestar 2 was nice, but if the i4 had been available I’d likely had picked up one instead of the 2.

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

More false info (about sole owners etc). EVs become more environmentally friendly vs ICE the more miles are put on them. But everyone is right that full LCA (life cycle analysis) is the way to compare: the total emissions for all components of the vehicle for its its entire lifecycle. That includes mining, manufacturing, drilling and refining of oil and minerals, paint, to the crusher - every single component from cradle to grave.

One thing many will miss is that emissions from burning gas goes into the atmosphere, and stays there. EV batteries store the energy, and the minerals in the batteries can be recycled. The CO2 stays in the atmosphere for centuries. But but, ‘power production cause emissions,’ you retort? Maybe in some cases, but it can and is being made less fossil fuel centric. Once you buy an ICE, its future CO2 emissions are locked until the car is scrapped. Any power plant Co2 emissions for EV power will get greener over time. It’s going to happen quickly too. And ICE car sold today will be burning gas and emitting CO2 for 10-25 years.

There are much smarter people than anyone posting on Bimmerpost (well mostly) who have studied this and truly understand the LCA of EVs vs ICE. As of now, EVs are better after x number of miles driven, even after accounting for battery production. That will only get better as technology improves (and it will as people buy EVs)

All the nonsense about “tires!” serves to further distract and detract, giving a certain set of naysayers a talking point that will be promulgated by the “I do my own research” crowd. Fact is tire technology is also improving, and along with lighter batteries and lower EV weights, can be overcome.

What cannot be overcome is climate change caused by fossil fuel burning. We have to decarbonize or we will suffer the consequences.

Like I said, go spew your opinion on the EV thread. This one is for the VNK. And smart people aren't the ones with an agenda.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

Like I said, go spew your opinion on the EV thread. This one is for the VNK. And smart people aren't the ones with an agenda.

This is an ev thread. And those spewing anti-ev disinformation are right here.

[Jimjamz]

Looks much better than the IX imo.

[floridaorange]

Headed in the right direction at least.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You are 100% spot on. There’s no widespread demand for EV’s.

Country dependent and fuel price dependent. It’s hard to argue the market demand isn’t widespread in certain places like California and Sweden (for example).

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

This is an ev thread. And those spewing anti-ev disinformation are right here.

Since you are of limited reading comprehension, no it isn't.

It's about this:
Update! Full Frontal Leak of BMW Vision Neue Klasse X!

In fact, that's even the title of this thread. I linked the thread that's about EV politics, but perhaps you still can't find it.

[Bahn360Photo]

This is very nice direction

I prefer this to m3/4 grill and oversized 7 series front

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

Since you are of limited reading comprehension, no it isn't.

It's about this:
Update! Full Frontal Leak of BMW Vision Neue Klasse X!

In fact, that's even the title of this thread. I linked the thread that's about EV politics, but perhaps you still can't find it.

Neue Klasse is an EV platform. Even says that in the BMWUSA site. How you feel about EVs doesn't really matter, you are complaining about them on an EV platform post, it will get push back.

[Monkibouy]

Originally Posted by swainbmw

The beef industry is where it’s all coming from the cars are very small percentage.

While I agree that personal vehicles are not the primary issue, this is also incorrect - the 3 largest sources of GHG are transportation (28%), energy production (25%), and industry (23%) - this is using the EPA's own data. Agriculture as a whole is ~10% with cattle being a fraction of that. Take into account the natural methane/CO2 cycle (i.e. non-exogenous carbon) and it's even less.

[JMD]

I have to have faith and confidence that BMW designers can do better! C'mon guys!

I'm thinking some here will appreciate the "W I D E S T A N C E" look over the NARROW look.

[carseatsm5]

Originally Posted by bholler

“That’s a shame”

Is this a Seinfeld reference? If so I’m here for it.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by JMD

I have to have faith and confidence that BMW designers can do better! C'mon guys!

I'm thinking some here will appreciate the "W I D E S T A N C E" look over the NARROW look.

Based on the spy photos I'm thinking the grille treatment will look more like this than the concept. It's very E30.

[E46forthewin01]

Looking forward to hearing more about the technical innovations tomorrow. Apparently, nearly all aluminium construction, battery performance, infotainment screens...

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Neue Klasse is an EV platform. Even says that in the BMWUSA site. How you feel about EVs doesn't really matter, you are complaining about them on an EV platform post, it will get push back.

This thread is about a specific BMW EV. It is not a thread about EV politics. There is a thread for that. Read the posting guidelines.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

This thread is about a specific BMW EV. It is not a thread about EV politics. There is a thread for that. Read the posting guidelines.

Reread what I responded to, and what you were saying. Note the guidelines yourself and quit attacking others. Your low reputation ranking is for a reason.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

More false info (about sole owners etc). EVs become more environmentally friendly vs ICE the more miles are put on them. But everyone is right that full LCA (life cycle analysis) is the way to compare: the total emissions for all components of the vehicle for its its entire lifecycle. That includes mining, manufacturing, drilling and refining of oil and minerals, paint, to the crusher - every single component from cradle to grave.

One thing many will miss is that emissions from burning gas goes into the atmosphere, and stays there. EV batteries store the energy, and the minerals in the batteries can be recycled. The CO2 stays in the atmosphere for centuries. But but, ‘power production cause emissions,’ you retort? Maybe in some cases, but it can and is being made less fossil fuel centric. Once you buy an ICE, its future CO2 emissions are locked until the car is scrapped. Any power plant Co2 emissions for EV power will get greener over time. It’s going to happen quickly too. And ICE car sold today will be burning gas and emitting CO2 for 10-25 years.

There are much smarter people than anyone posting on Bimmerpost (well mostly) who have studied this and truly understand the LCA of EVs vs ICE. As of now, EVs are better after x number of miles driven, even after accounting for battery production. That will only get better as technology improves (and it will as people buy EVs)

All the nonsense about “tires!” serves to further distract and detract, giving a certain set of naysayers a talking point that will be promulgated by the “I do my own research” [...]

No one that is objective argues that the future tech will make EV make more sense, from a practical standpoint. The fact that day is not today, yet governments insist on forcing the market, is what pisses off many people (myself included).

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Country dependent and fuel price dependent. It’s hard to argue the market demand isn’t widespread in certain places like California and Sweden (for example).

Right. Niche markets. I don’t think anything I’ve said is very controversial.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Right. Niche markets. I don’t think anything I’ve said is very controversial.

Niche? Tesla alone is almost larger than BMW global sales at this point. BYD is enormous now given China demand. I think you have to bury your head in the sand to say market demand for EVs isn’t there.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Niche? Tesla alone is almost larger than BMW global sales at this point. BYD is enormous now given China demand.

Yeah. It won’t be forever. Not once have I said EV’s are a fad or aren’t a market with future growth.