Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

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[KRS_SN]

https://fortune.com/2023/05/14/tesla...tes-batteries/

software updates drained or killed expensive batteries

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

https://fortune.com/2023/05/14/tesla...tes-batteries/

software updates drained or killed expensive batteries

Software updates cause the system computer to redo a deep look at the battery on reboot resulting in prompts after an update that the battery is close to failing. It doesn't cause the failure but is "associated" temporally with the prompts. Thus it can look like the update caused the failure.

[M5Rick]

Updates or no it's still a contributory factor in a battery kill meaning a scrapped EV.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Updates or no it's still a contributory factor in a battery kill meaning a scrapped EV.

No. Software updates don't kill the battery. Just cause a battery failure detection to occur due to the nature of the software querying the battery more on a reboot/update process. The batteries in general are lasting as advertised and are doing well. Just like most motors last a long time the batteries do also.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by gblansten

No. Software updates don't kill the battery. Just cause a battery failure detection to occur due to the nature of the software querying the battery more on a reboot/update process. The batteries in general are lasting as advertised and are doing well. Just like most motors last a long time the batteries do also.

Preachhhhhhhh to these people who have no idea what our future will bring!!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

No. Software updates don't kill the battery. Just cause a battery failure detection to occur due to the nature of the software querying the battery more on a reboot/update process. The batteries in general are lasting as advertised and are doing well. Just like most motors last a long time the batteries do also.

Yours may be fine but in any case I think they're on a sticky wicket facing a lawsuit.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Yours may be fine but in any case I think they're on a sticky wicket with facing a lawsuit.

Tesla has had QC issues for sure. But this lawsuit is going nowhere. The cars are having true battery failures and not software update induced failures. The batteries will eventually fail on any EV just like motors don't last forever.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Tesla has had QC issues for sure. But this lawsuit is going nowhere. The cars are having true battery failures and not software update induced failures. The batteries will eventually fail on any EV just like motors don't last forever.

I'll see how it develops with interest, hopefully Musk's/gubment's influence doesn't sneak in somewhere.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'll see how it develops with interest, hopefully Musk's/gubment's influence doesn't sneak in somewhere.

I think his government influence is likely at a low point given his politics of late and the present administration.

[KRS_SN]

I have a question
Ev manufacturers replace the battery at 30% degradation.
Does this mean that when it hits 30% it must be replaced if one is outside the 100k/8yr limit. Is there a degradation curvature re how quick the degradation progresses once it hits the 30% mark?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Tesla isn’t going anywhere. They can’t make enough of them to keep up with the demand.

This is exciting lol

[Patton250]

Lol


https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsF-K...RlODBiNWFlZA==

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I have a question
Ev manufacturers replace the battery at 30% degradation.
Does this mean that when it hits 30% it must be replaced if one is outside the 100k/8yr limit. Is there a degradation curvature re how quick the degradation progresses once it hits the 30% mark?

They don't replace the battery at 30% just because. It's a warranty and it's warrantied to hold at least 80% of its capacity for the warranty period. So if it doesn't they would replace it per the warranty, but obviously it doesn't mean a battery at 80% or below capacity HAS to be replaced.

As for degradation curve... I'm sure it varies by battery size and how the battery is treated etc. Same with ICE if you beat it up, don't change the oil etc the engine will last less than a cared for one and of course you have the one off lemons. Here is the latest data I could find. It's from Tesla so take that as you may, however given how long the model s has been around for they probably have the most long term data.

https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla...y-degradation/

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

They don't replace the battery at 30% just because. It's a warranty and it's warrantied to hold at least 80% of its capacity for the warranty period. So if it doesn't they would replace it per the warranty, but obviously it doesn't mean a battery at 80% or below capacity HAS to be replaced.

As for degradation curve... I'm sure it varies by battery size and how the battery is treated etc. Same with ICE if you beat it up, don't change the oil etc the engine will last less than a cared for one and of course you have the one off lemons. Here is the latest data I could find. It's from Tesla so take that as you may, however given how long the model s has been around for they probably have the most long term data.

https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla...y-degradation/

We need more independently verified data. I'm very interested is battery performance figures across a wide variety of charging styles battery packs temperature ranges etc. This will help the customer.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Crazy how fucking clueless people are about ev’s.

No wonder they’re scared it’s going to take over soon.

Lmaoooo

[zx10guy]

I'm actually curious as to how often an individual cell in the battery pack fails. There has been instances where cells have failed in a battery pack and Tesla's policy is to replace the entire pack. Independent shops such as the Electrified Garage has performed work on battery packs with failed cells and were able to salvage the entire pack.

[KRS_SN]

Over a span of 10-15 years from personal experience cellphones can hold charge for 24hrs and batteries i find last a lot longer. I'm interested in seeing how cars of today will hold up to ones sold in 10 years. In terms of range and speed of charging longevity.

[PhaceN52]

Until you'll charge EVs burning coal somewhere I can't see the point... not to mention batteries pollution. But you know, that's too logical steps
Imho

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by PhaceN52

Until you'll charge EVs burning coal somewhere I can't see the point... not to mention batteries pollution. But you know, that's too logical steps
Imho

For me it is about the fun of driving an S Plaid and the benefit of just charging at home from the wall in my garage. Love all of that. Carbon benefits clearly vary by state or region depending on what is used to make electricity.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

I'm actually curious as to how often an individual cell in the battery pack fails. There has been instances where cells have failed in a battery pack and Tesla's policy is to replace the entire pack. Independent shops such as the Electrified Garage has performed work on battery packs with failed cells and were able to salvage the entire pack.

China already has 5 minute battery swap stations.

Having a dead cell is the same as a lifter going bad or a dropped valve.

How often do those happen? Ice isn’t bulletproof in terms of usage. People warm up their car, they break it in if new, they do oil changes etc

There’s a small learning curve with owning an ev similar to those who got their first car.

[M5Rick]

The way I see it the quicker the charge with the massive electricity boost then the shorter the life span of lithium batteries and there's no known replacement for lithium on the horizon, and power outages at sub stations will become normal, it doesn't take Einstein to work that one out and the gubments haven't a clue what they're doing.