BMW to launch production hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in 2028

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Neusser

It's all in black and white. I pointed out that you own a gas guzzler and asked why not drive something more appropriate, or why not take the bus?

Still no answer to the question, ofc.

Yes, it is in black and white that I answered your question and you keep asking it again and again because that’s a common troll tactic, ofc.

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Neusser

Malone invented MRNA tech.

His information as it pertains to technocracy and Davos is a compilation of more knowledgable folks, ofc.

If a major player like Malone could wake up, imagine what could lie in your future, Sporty Spice.

He’s a crackpot and you are holding him as some beacon of truth. It’s so bizarre that people like you will embrace any unhinged, unfounded conspiracy theory as absolute unquestionable truth, but overwhelming peer reviewed research on climate change is the myth to your ilk. And you have the nerve to tell me to wake up. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

[SportySpice]

Skyscraper Excellent post. I acknowledge my role in diverting the discussion by repeatedly engaging with a loon.

[Ugly Kar]

Hyundai & Skoda team up to produce hydrogen power.
https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en...ity-0000000831

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by SportySpice

Yes, it is in black and white that I answered your question and you keep asking it again and again because that’s a common troll tactic, ofc.

Indeed. Why drive a gas guzzler if you actually care about what you claim to care about?

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by SportySpice

He’s a crackpot and you are holding him as some beacon of truth. It’s so bizarre that people like you will embrace any unhinged, unfounded conspiracy theory as absolute unquestionable truth, but overwhelming peer reviewed research on climate change is the myth to your ilk. And you have the nerve to tell me to wake up. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Good luck.

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I think it makes perfect sense. Why should I accept what someone says about the sky is falling (failing?) if they are not dedicated to preventing it? It's the classic "Do as I say, not as I do."

Why should I tolerate being called a climate denier and a science denier by someone who owns an over-powered, over-consuming automobile that is essentially in its lowest trim level an economy car? Such a person is saying that my actions are harming the earth for future generations because I am damaging the climate now. My logical response to such a person is, "FU, you start first." Driving an over-powered, over-consuming automobile is evidence their concern is not what they say it is.

This is the issue with those who meet in Davos.

Are you talking about my car as the “lowest level trim level of an economy car?” Fuck you. Are you paying for it? Maybe I drive it because that’s all the car I need, it’s what I can afford, or it’s what I’m willing to pay for a car. Whatever the reason is none of your damn business. When you buy my car, you can tell me what to drive. If you actually live in the US, you should know that there are a whole lot bigger and less efficient cars I could be driving instead of my M340. And to be clear, I’m not the one saying your actions or my actions are harming the climate. Overwhelming numbers of scientists are saying it - if you don’t like it or don’t believe it, publish your research refuting their claims. Otherwise, you’re just another troll prolonging an argument that’s long run it’s course. Nice hobby.

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Calm down son. I could give a rat's ass about your car. The 3-series, at the lowest trim level (in Europe) is an economy car, a taxi, and a police car. That's what I said. Check your ego at the door. I wasn't wasting my time trying to insult your car, so calm down. People of your [******] thinking are just so filled with hate you just can't tell when others are having a discussion rather than trying to insult. You preach tolerance but don't practice tolerance. Not everyone is trying to hurt you.

You need to be more clear in your communication. I don’t give a flying fuck what a 3 Series is in Europe. I live in the United States. Supposedly you do too. Now I just think you and that other profile obsessed with Davos conspiracy theories are the same person. Sad and really damn weird.

[3PedalJake]

From the Enlightenment in the days of Bacon, Descartes, Newton Et Al up until our recent era of 'My Truth", Science has been defined by the Scientific Method. Scientific Method requires a hypothesis to be proven by experimentation that produces repeatable empirical data. Computer modeling fed by selected (one could say cherry picked) data provided by those called scientists whose funding and livelihoods depend on reaching certain acceptable conclusions, or the "overwhelming consensus" of same is not Science as defined by the Scientific Method.
Galileo Galilei was tried and convicted by the Inquisition for the heresy of denying the Geocentric model of the universe, against the overwhelming consensus of learned people of the day that the Earth does not in fact revolve around the sun; we refer to that belief today as "religious dogma". I submit that todays "Climate Science" is indistinguishable from 16th century religious dogma.

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I was perfectly clear. Anyone with any understanding of BMW history knows the 3-Series in its lowest trim levels, is an economy car.

I was told it was an inefficient gas guzzler. Turns out it’s an economy car - so why are you giving me shit for driving it?

BTW, we don’t get the lowest trim levels in the US. If you lived here, you’d know that. How many profiles / personalities do you have?

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by 3PedalJake

From the Enlightenment in the days of Bacon, Descartes, Newton Et Al up until our recent era of 'My Truth", Science has been defined by the Scientific Method. Scientific Method requires a hypothesis to be proven by experimentation that produces repeatable empirical data. Computer modeling fed by selected (one could say cherry picked) data provided by those called scientists whose funding and livelihoods depend on reaching certain acceptable conclusions, or the "overwhelming consensus" of same is not Science as defined by the Scientific Method.
Galileo Galilei was tried and convicted by the Inquisition for the heresy of denying the Geocentric model of the universe, against the overwhelming consensus of learned people of the day that the Earth does not in fact revolve around the sun; we refer to that belief today as "religious dogma". I submit that todays "Climate Science" is indistinguishable from 16th century religious dogma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2MhMsLn9B0

Uh huh sure.

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

No one is giving you shit about driving an M340i. You're getting shit for telling the rest of us we are harming the planet by damaging the environment because we are driving our cars (while you are driving one too). Yikes.

WRONG. I didn’t tell you or anyone else a damn thing about what to drive. I said I accept the science of climate change and you under the guise of your alternate profile have been the one obsessed with my car FOR DAYS. Get your damn facts straight.

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

If you "accept the science" about anthropogenic climate change, one of mainstays of the belief that humans are negatively affecting the climate is personal use of ICE -powered vehicles. So, it is hypocritical to tell others they are a climate denier while you drive an ICE-powered automobile. Further, it was pointed out that you drive a version of the 3-series that is less efficient (consumes more resources) than other cars available to drive. You're upset about it. That's okay. No need to yell.

Back to this again. How many times are you going to go around this circle? I haven’t told you or anyone else what to drive. I’m quite comfortable with my carbon footprint including my 6 cylinder, 382 hp M340, as I’ve said multiple times. So what’s your goal here? Just keep posting the same thing over and over until I block you? That I’ll renounce the science of climate change or sell my car because of you? Lol dream on.

You shit all over my car, saying it’s an econobox, no it’s a gas guzzler, no it’s an econobox, no it’s a gas guzzler, have been calling me a hypocrite, and saying all kinds of other inflammatory shit. When you get the reaction you clearly want, suddenly it’s “Calm down.” Lol fuck off. Who’s telling who what to do here?

Your climate skepticism is like a religion. This conversation has been over many times but you keep piping up to prolong it because 1) you can’t accept that people disagree with you, or more likely 2) you know the science is legit but you reject it because you don’t want to change your lifestyle. Whatever it is, talk to your therapist about it because I don’t care that you don’t accept it. I don’t care what you drive, where you live, what you eat, or what you want to tell yourself.

Yes, I accept the science of climate change and yes I drive an M340i. If YOU don’t like it, that’s a you problem.

Way to jack this thread about BMW’s partnership with Toyota to develop FCEVs. If you think climate change is a hoax and don’t care about carbon emissions, why are you even involved in this conversation? Maybe because you’re obsessed with something you claim to think isn’t real. Kinda sad but also hilarious.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

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Originally Posted by SportySpice

Back to this again. How many times are you going to go around this circle? I haven’t told you or anyone else what to drive. I’m quite comfortable with my carbon footprint including my 6 cylinder, 382 hp M340, as I’ve said multiple times. So what’s your goal here? Just keep posting the same thing over and over until I block you? That I’ll renounce the science of climate change or sell my car because of you? Lol dream on.

You shit all over my car, saying it’s an econobox, no it’s a gas guzzler, no it’s an econobox, no it’s a gas guzzler, have been calling me a hypocrite, and saying all kinds of other inflammatory shit. When you get the reaction you clearly want, suddenly it’s “Calm down.” Lol fuck off. Who’s telling who what to do here?

Your climate skepticism is like a religion. This conversation has been over many times but you keep piping up to prolong it because 1) you can’t accept that people disagree with you, or more likely 2) you know the science is legit but you reject it because you don’t want to change your lifestyle. Whatever it is, talk to your therapist about it because I don’t care that you don’t accept it. I don’t care what you drive, where you live, what you eat, or what you want to tell yourself.

Yes, I accept the science of climate change and yes I drive an M340i. If YOU don’t like it, that’s a you problem.

Way to jack this thread about BMW’s partnership with Toyota to develop FCEVs. If you think climate change is a hoax and don’t care about carbon emissions, why are you even involved in this conversation? Maybe because you’re obsessed with something you claim to think isn’t real. Kinda sad but also hilarious.

You are giving him exactly what he is looking for, an endless debate, doesn't matter if it is related to the original topic or not, doesn't matter if it has already been said, it's all about the back and forth.

If you get tired of all of this, one simple solution to the problem is to just "Ignore" him. He can't see that it happened, and the problem just goes away. He might be surprised at how many have already done this but with this you won't see his posts, he is still happy to be talking, doesn't realize how few are actually listening. Everyone is happy.

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by David70

You are giving him exactly what he is looking for, an endless debate, doesn't matter if it is related to the original topic or not, doesn't matter if it has already been said, it's all about the back and forth.

If you get tired of all of this, one simple solution to the problem is to just "Ignore" him. He can't see that it happened, and the problem just goes away. He might be surprised at how many have already done this but with this you won't see his posts, he is still happy to be talking, doesn't realize how few are actually listening. Everyone is happy.

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I know you’re right but sometimes I can’t resist going under the bridge with the trolls. But yeah, he’s just bs’ing and wasting time.

[Tejas1836]

Shell shelves Norway hydrogen project due to lack of demand
https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...nd-2024-09-23/

https://www.upstreamonline.com/hydro...ny/2-1-1713717

[Skyscraper]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Shell shelves Norway hydrogen project due to lack of demand
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/shell-shelves-norway-hydrogen-project-due-lack-demand-2024-09-23/

https://www.upstreamonline.com/hydrogen/equinor-scraps-plan-for-hydrogen-pipeline-to-germany/2-1-1713717

Once we’ve sucked every last drop of oil from the ground and leveled every mountain for lithium.
Hydrogen will have its day. And I’ll be dust.

[Tejas1836]

Hopefully this MSFT-TMI nuke plant will jumpstart what is really needed.

[thebmw]

You know what the biggest problem is with these trolls, climate change deniers, and people who are illiterate to science? AI looks at these posts, thinks that they're true, and generates answers based on the quantity of fake posts are out there. The irony is that computer science will end up believing these science deniers.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by thebmw

You know what the biggest problem is with these trolls, climate change deniers, and people who are illiterate to science? AI looks at these posts, thinks that they're true, and generates answers based on the quantity of fake posts are out there. The irony is that computer science will end up believing these science deniers.

They even tell you what they are doing, yet you rant and rave at the messengers.

https://medium.com/world-economic-fo...r-ee2eed62f710

My favorite part:

"My biggest concern is all the people who do not live in our city. Those we lost on the way. Those who decided that it became too much, all this technology. Those who felt obsolete and useless when robots and AI took over big parts of our jobs. Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages."



I mean, this is from WEF/Davos itself.

[3PedalJake]

Originally Posted by thebmw

You know what the biggest problem is with these trolls, climate change deniers, and people who are illiterate to science? AI looks at these posts, thinks that they're true, and generates answers based on the quantity of fake posts are out there. The irony is that computer science will end up believing these science deniers.

Wait, AI isn't actually intelligent, it just regurgitates consensus which could turn out to be wrong? The hell you say.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by 3PedalJake

Wait, AI isn't actually intelligent, it just regurgitates consensus which could turn out to be wrong? The hell you say.

Which would make it exactly like human intelligence.