F1 2024: Spanish GP - Barcelona (June 23)

[Artemis]

Last 4 races - in principle the same car:

• Verstappen: 83 points
• Perez: 8 points

RBR WCC points so far (10 races): Verstappen 2/3 | Perez 1/3.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by OG Shark

How often has VER received dotd since his reign began?

• 2016-2020: 28 times
• 2021-2024: 11 times

Verstappen - 39 times DOTD:

• 2016 (21 races): 8 times
• 2017 (20 races): 3 times
• 2018 (21 races): 6 times
• 2019 (21 races): 7 times
• 2020 (17 races): 4 times
• 2021 (22 races): 3 times
• 2022 (22 races): 5 times
• 2023 (22 races): 3 times
• 2024 (10 races): -

Hamilton - 14 times DOTD:

• 2016 (21 races): 1 time
• 2017 (20 races): 3 times
• 2018 (21 races): 3 times
• 2019 (21 races): -
• 2020 (17 races): 1 time
• 2021 (22 races): 2 times
• 2022 (22 races): 3 times
• 2023 (22 races): 1 time
• 2024 (10 races): -

Norris - 15 times DOTD:

• 2016 (21 races): -
• 2017 (20 races): -
• 2018 (21 races): -
• 2019 (21 races): 2 times
• 2020 (17 races): -
• 2021 (22 races): 3 times
• 2022 (22 races): -
• 2023 (22 races): 5 times
• 2024 (10 races): 5 times

[///M Power-Belgium]

[M3WC]

Ideal weekend for Max. Gets a win and McLaren/Merc finish between Leclerc.

Expands championship lead from 56 to 69 points. Main rival now Lando.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Rus just doesn't have the race pace - even if he was on Softs, he can't manage tires to save his life, there was no way he would have lasted the way Ham did.

Rolls reversed from Canada. With better rubber Rus was able to make the pass in Canada and finish in front of Lewis.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Last 4 races - in principle the same car:

• Verstappen: 83 points
• Perez: 8 points

RBR WCC points so far (10 races): Verstappen 2/3 | Perez 1/3.

Looks like we could get into the scenario I warned about end of last year. Keeping Perez in that seat could jeopardize the manufacturers championship, if McLaren makes a leap in performance. Now RB does have quite a lead on McLaren. But McLaren quali and race pace is right there with RB(with Max driving). They also have two very competent drivers. 14 races to go and it looks like RB will have to solely rely on Max's pace.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Rolls reversed from Canada. With better rubber Rus was able to make the pass in Canada and finish in front of Lewis.

Not really - Ham asked to be fitted with his softs in Canada, they gave him hards. Here he requested the same and made them last the to the conclusion of the race. Rus just sucks with tire management and race pace.

I'm not sure why people keep on implying Rus is "as good or better" than Ham when he already handily lost last year - and basically had a headstart in 2022 and nearly lost then as well.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Looks like we could get into the scenario I warned about end of last year. Keeping Perez in that seat could jeopardize the manufacturers championship, if McLaren makes a leap in performance. Now RB does have quite a lead on McLaren. But McLaren quali and race pace is right there with RB(with Max driving). They also have two very competent drivers. 14 races to go and it looks like RB will have to solely rely on Max's pace.

Because Max can't race a teamate without nearly killing himself or them. Most overrated driver on the grid who had nothing to show for himself until he was gifted the best car for 3 seasons.

[///M Power-Belgium]

So far , Checo has completely lost it ..Checo is worthless at the Red Bull Team .
Sainz was the man to get his 2025 RB seat !

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I'm not sure why people keep on implying Rus is "as good or better" than Ham when he already handily lost last year - and basically had a headstart in 2022 and nearly lost then as well.

Probably because he leads 8-2 in qualifying and 7-3 in race finishes in 2024. Against what some consider the best to ever do it. Also only Merc driver to win a race in 2.5 years.

The kid isn't exactly slow. Is he more consistent than Lewis, no. Lewis has a lot more experience...that is for sure.

[HeelToeShift]

Really impressive race today from Max - shows why he is far and away the best on the grid. Cannot even imagine if he was gifted a cheating MB car from 2014-2021 he would have won every year and never lost to an abysmal Ros (so 8 WDCs) since he has actual talent and race craft. I couldnt quite tell at the end if he was just toying with Nor or his tires got a bit cold managing pace, but he pulled multiple tenths anytime he needed. Max, for me, continues to show his prowess in a GP and when he doesnt have the fastest car (much like 2021). At the same time, Nor just isnt good under pressure and certainly from the start of the year to now, his skill level hasnt changed but the car has certainly gotten faster - but I dont foresee them continuing this development and is only a matter of time before they end up falling into the Ferrari trap where they lose ground.
I also think Nor move at the start was downright dirty to push Max off track and should have been a 5 second penalty.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

So far , Checo has completely lost it ..Checo is worthless at the Red Bull Team .
Sainz was the man to get his 2025 RB seat !

It has to be money. Perez is backed by Carlos Slim, one of the wealthiest in the world.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Probably because he leads 8-2 in qualifying and 7-3 in race finishes in 2024. Against what some consider the best to ever do it. Also only Merc driver to win a race in 2.5 years.

The kid isn't exactly slow. Is he more consistent than Lewis, no. Lewis has a lot more experience...that is for sure.

2024 Mercedes has been accused of "sabotage" of Lewis since he's moving to Ferrari. Rus was ok before - and suddenly he's now as good as Lewis?

You guys are so blinded by your hate of a Lewis you can't even admit something so black and white as this.

And Russ is anything but "consistent" his racepace is terrible and he constantly makes mistakes.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The way Norris overtook Russell today, was not what you'd particularly expect from a "mediocre driver".

Currently P2 in the WDC.

Out of the last 6 F1 races, Norris was voted 5 times "Driver Of The Day": either he has a massive following voting for him or he is performing above average.

True though that McLaren seems to have improved its car more than any other team.

I was being sarcastic

Lando is a fine driver, as I have previously stated.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Ideal weekend for Max. Gets a win and McLaren/Merc finish between Leclerc.

Expands championship lead from 56 to 69 points. Main rival now Lando.

Lando runs with the fastest car at the track . MAX won again by the MAX-Factor !

The McLaren car balance is extremely kind for the tires . It's really amazing !
McLaren has next weekend in Austria a huge advantage at the Spielberg track .
The Spielberg track is well known for his "abrasive asphalt layer"..
I think Austria (Spielberg) is for Lando..

But Spielberg is Red Bull's home race , and with MAX you never know

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

So far , Checo has completely lost it ..Checo is worthless at the Red Bull Team .
Sainz was the man to get his 2025 RB seat !

No doubt Sainz or ALO were clearly the better choice BUT the concern, supposedly, is that Max would not approve of it, per Marko, even though Max had previously stated he does not care who his team mate is.

So what is the truth here?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Lando runs with the fastest car at the track . MAX won again by the MAX-Factor !

The McLaren car balance is extremely kind for the tires . It's really amazing !
McLaren has next weekend in Austria a huge advantage at the Spielberg track .
The Spielberg track is well known for his "abrasive asphalt layer"..
I think Austria (Spielberg) is for Lando..

But Spielberg is Red Bull's home race , and with MAX you never know

I feel Nor is due to a DNF or two...him and Brown getting rather cocky lately for a guy who lucked into 1 win and feel they are on pace to find some 'upgrades' that dont quite deliver.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Really impressive race today from Max - shows why he is far and away the best on the grid. Cannot even imagine if he was gifted a cheating MB car from 2014-2021 he would have won every year and never lost to an abysmal Ros (so 8 WDCs) since he has actual talent and race craft. I couldnt quite tell at the end if he was just toying with Nor or his tires got a bit cold managing pace, but he pulled multiple tenths anytime he needed. Max, for me, continues to show his prowess in a GP and when he doesnt have the fastest car (much like 2021). At the same time, Nor just isnt good under pressure and certainly from the start of the year to now, his skill level hasnt changed but the car has certainly gotten faster - but I dont foresee them continuing this development and is only a matter of time before they end up falling into the Ferrari trap where they lose ground.
I also think Nor move at the start was downright dirty to push Max off track and should have been a 5 second penalty.

Spot on !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

No doubt Sainz or ALO were clearly the better choice BUT the concern, supposedly, is that Max would not approve of it, per Marko, even though Max had previously stated he does not care who his team mate is.

So what is the truth here?

Well. This...

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well. This...

Well, politics or considerations other than getting the best available driver certainly were more important for CH and/or Marko, whoever made the ultimate call.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well. This...

In all honestly, Max doesnt control this and he doesnt care. On the other hand, Nor said he was scared to go to RB and that was a direct quote too. Ham I dont think would actually take the RB seat as he needs to come up with conspiracies of being sabotaged because he doesnt have the skill to beat Rus. And let's not forget all the times they sabotaged Bot so Ham could win.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

In all honestly, Max doesnt control this and he doesnt care. On the other hand, Nor said he was scared to go to RB and that was a direct quote too. Ham I dont think would actually take the RB seat as he needs to come up with conspiracies of being sabotaged because he doesnt have the skill to beat Rus. And let's not forget all the times they sabotaged Bot so Ham could win.

Max is good. Very good. He’s not as good as Hamilton, and we know this because he didn’t win or do anything meaningful until he had the fastest car by a significant margin on the grid. Even now, he has the fastest car and he’s not dominating as before.

If ham was his teammate at best Max would split wins - Ham would come out on top 7/10 times