Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Bill 310]

I live in Vancouver, which is the EV Capital of North America and has been for 2 years.
Teslas especially and every other EV Brand are everywhere.

https://www.langaravoice.ca/b-c-lead...electric-cars/

When I ask people I know why they bought a Tesla, I get the normal, quiet, cheap to operate, good tech.

When I ask the question how was the buying experience the cheering starts.

No salesperson, I just ordered it online.

They just took me out to a demo car and said enjoy your drive, The Tesla staff person didn't come with us.

The price is the price, no haggling.

I was treated as a valued client (I hear that from all my pal's wives)

When you consider Elon's limited social skills it becomes clear that he was the only person who could ever change the car buying experience.

He would have struggled more than most with the tradional car buying horror show we all experience.

He just decided people would be buying his cars differently.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Bill 310

I live in Vancouver, which is the EV Capital of North America and has been for 2 years.
Teslas especially and every other EV Brand are everywhere.

https://www.langaravoice.ca/b-c-lead...electric-cars/

When I ask people I know why they bought a Tesla, I get the normal, quiet, cheap to operate, good tech.

When I ask the question how was the buying experience the cheering starts.

No salesperson, I just ordered it online.

They just took me out to a demo car and said enjoy your drive, The Tesla staff person didn't come with us.

The price is the price, no haggling.

I was treated as a valued client (I hear that from all my pal's wives)

When you consider Elon's limited social skills it becomes clear that he was the only person who could ever change the car buying experience.

He would have struggled more than most with the tradional car buying horror show we all experience.

He just decided people would be buying his cars differently.

On average I buy a new car every 7 years, I can deal with a dealership salesperson with the timespan in between events.

Elon has 11 or 12 children. I'm going with he has decent social skills. Just sayin'.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

On average I buy a new car every 7 years, I can deal with a dealership salesperson with the timespan in between events.

Elon has 11 or 12 children. I'm going with he has decent social skills. Just sayin'.

I think the $250 billion help though.

[M5Rick]

Europe EV sales going from bad to worse by the minute.

Simple question ''Why don't they build cars people want''.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Europe EV sales going from bad to worse by the minute.

Simple question ''Why don't they build cars people want''.

Pay close attention to what Ms. Barra says in this piece regarding customer choice. Also, CBS states EV sales are up all over the world except in the US...

It aired yesterday.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/uFIy...ka_MivcXPiw8C/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Pay close attention to what Ms. Barra says in this piece regarding customer choice. Also, CBS states EV sales are up all over the world except in the US...

It aired yesterday.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/uFIy...ka_MivcXPiw8C/

''We never thought it would be linear'. Now I know a bit more about her and who she is it would definitely clash with Ola Kallenius's present view.

[eugenebmw]

The real reason the show ended

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1250230386116004

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

The real reason the show ended

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1250230386116004

It's reason enough, I'll drink to that

[Murf the Surf]

Lithium battery fire closes the Port of Montreal. The whole area was put into lockdown. National Post article asks some good questions.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lib...airborne-event

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Lithium battery fire closes the Port of Montreal. The whole area was put into lockdown. National Post article asks some good questions.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lib...airborne-event

What do you think we should learn from this?

[Snave01]

Depreciation is the reason I would not BUY an EV...battery (and other) technology is moving so fast that it would be easy for obsolescence to set in on models produced just a year ago. I think an EV may make sense for those that stay in a relatively limited area and have charging available locally, especially at the workplace and home. Leasing an EV makes no real sense either depending on what you buy but generally in the short lease period you won't save $ on fuel enough to cover the incremental cost of the EV vs ICE.

When I rented a Tesla on vacation, it wasn't a great experience. The hotel had slow and limited charging so every day we needed to plan our day to include charging stops or going to specific stores or restaurants that had nearby charging. Then returning the vehicle with a full charge is near impossible unless you plan plenty of time to charge near the return locale. When I rented it from Hertz, it said no charge if >10% charge but when I returned it I found out there were conditions on that. I don't recall what they were but it was like only when the moon is full and Venus is in retrograde or some shit. Rather than saving me money, I spent more than I would have on fuel plus the hassles. Very glad I rented one before I decided to buy/lease one.

I also feel like what goes into making and the disposal of batteries is just as bad for the environment, if not worse, than pollution etc. from ICE's. My perception anyway.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Snave01

Depreciation is the reason I would not BUY an EV...battery (and other) technology is moving so fast that it would be easy for obsolescence to set in on models produced just a year ago. I think an EV may make sense for those that stay in a relatively limited area and have charging available locally, especially at the workplace and home. Leasing an EV makes no real sense either depending on what you buy but generally in the short lease period you won't save $ on fuel enough to cover the incremental cost of the EV vs ICE.

When I rented a Tesla on vacation, it wasn't a great experience. The hotel had slow and limited charging so every day we needed to plan our day to include charging stops or going to specific stores or restaurants that had nearby charging. Then returning the vehicle with a full charge is near impossible unless you plan plenty of time to charge near the return locale. When I rented it from Hertz, it said no charge if >10% charge but when I returned it I found out there were conditions on that. I don't recall what they were but it was like only when the moon is full and Venus is in retrograde or some shit. Rather than saving me money, I spent more than I would have on fuel plus the hassles. Very glad I rented one before I decided to buy/lease one.

I also feel like what goes into making and the disposal of batteries is just as bad for the environment, if not worse, than pollution etc. from ICE's. My perception anyway.

Depriciation on EV's falls faster than a stone off the Shard, if buyers would stop and think for more than a minute for the whole picture before signing on the dotted line.

[eugenebmw]

If you think EV is a kind of fun car to have. Think twice before jumping into the rabbit hole

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If you think EV is a kind of fun car to have. Think twice before jumping into the rabbit hole

So anything except a track car is not fun… got it.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If you think EV is a kind of fun car to have. Think twice before jumping into the rabbit hole

Did you even watch the video? He just says that for a track car there are some downsides to using an EV.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Did you even watch the video? He just says that for a track car there are some downsides to using an EV.

I use to have a side business selling tires and doing tire track side support so I have spent a lot of time at the local tracks in FL. Pretty much all the guys who regularly go to the track and a dedicated track car, modified specifically for track use. The others who are doing an HPDE1 event or the like typically do one and you never see them again. If they do get into it then they eventually also end up with a dedicated track car.

There are some downsides to using 90% of cars as track cars, including most BMWs.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Did you even watch the video? He just says that for a track car there are some downsides to using an EV.

Of course I watch the whole video. The message he sent to the government was the most important parts of this whole video. Relax and just enjoy. I didn't say EV is a piece of shxx

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

So anything except a track car is not fun… got it.

Ask him, not me. I am just a Messager. Use your own judgement.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Ask him, not me. I am just a Messager. Use your own judgement.

Oh my bad, didn’t know you spoke in politician speak. You just type words that don’t mean anything when you’re questioned on them. I get it. As you were.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Oh my bad, didn’t know you spoke in politician speak. You just type words that don’t mean anything when you’re questioned on them. I get it. As you were.

What do you expect from Canadian. We have a great leader called Justin Trudeau I better change the subject or my account may get suspended

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If you think EV is a kind of fun car to have. Think twice before jumping into the rabbit hole

So you have to be in the know, own a GT3 and even then have hassle trying to work the Porsche fast charger

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Snave01

Depreciation is the reason I would not BUY an EV...battery (and other) technology is moving so fast that it would be easy for obsolescence to set in on models produced just a year ago. I think an EV may make sense for those that stay in a relatively limited area and have charging available locally, especially at the workplace and home. Leasing an EV makes no real sense either depending on what you buy but generally in the short lease period you won't save $ on fuel enough to cover the incremental cost of the EV vs ICE.

When I rented a Tesla on vacation, it wasn't a great experience. The hotel had slow and limited charging so every day we needed to plan our day to include charging stops or going to specific stores or restaurants that had nearby charging. Then returning the vehicle with a full charge is near impossible unless you plan plenty of time to charge near the return locale. When I rented it from Hertz, it said no charge if >10% charge but when I returned it I found out there were conditions on that. I don't recall what they were but it was like only when the moon is full and Venus is in retrograde or some shit. Rather than saving me money, I spent more than I would have on fuel plus the hassles. Very glad I rented one before I decided to buy/lease one.

I also feel like what goes into making and the disposal of batteries is just as bad for the environment, if not worse, than pollution etc. from ICE's. My perception anyway.

Leasing is absolutely the best way to drive EV's right now. The manufacturers are putting in completely unrealistic residual values, which is keeping the monthly costs low. They're all going to end up eating it on the back end, bigtime. Why buy, when you can let the manufacturers hold the rapidly depreciating bag at the end of the lease? Just make sure the residual is reasonable. I leased an Ioniq 5 awd recently and on a 3 year lease they predicted less than 20% depreciation... My monthly payment is hilariously low.

EV's would make for a terrible rental, unless like you said, you really don't plan on driving very far. Renting a car in Hawaii, okay, maybe it works, but not really. Terrible business model to even offer an EV to anyone as a rental. You're in a location you don't know with unknown charging. Maybe have them available for people who already have an EV and know the nuances of dealing with them?

The life cycle analyses done between ICE and EV take into consideration battery production and recycling.