Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Sedoy]

There is definitely some truth to that. For example, why there are no diesel-hybrids available? With such a configuration, one could potentially benefit from the best of both worlds: excellent highway mileage from a diesel powertrain and efficient city low-emission driving on electric motors. Thinking about that I accepted the fact that we do not live in a perfect world, rational decisions our leaders should be making are flawed by politics, agendas, corruption, lobby etc. So let's just hope that common sense will prevail at some point...

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Correct, but that's an internal combustion engine that needs a wide powerband and connected to a transmission so it can offer a wide variety of speeds. So the engine loses efficiency thru heat loss and transmission losses.

Take the IC engine out of the mechanical effort to generate propulsion and make the engine differently, to be tuned to lose less heat, and have it connected to just an on-board electrical generator. Make the engine much lighter out of higher temperature materials like ceramic. Add in a small battery for peak energy requirements and excess load capture. Up the efficiency of the chemical combustion and decrease the parasitic loss of moving electricity over hundreds of miles and several transformer step downs/step ups to charge a huge, heavy battery. Say, make the electicty move thru wires for just a few feet with virtually zero energy loss. THAT system is 80% efficient too, maybe more.

That vehicle still uses gasoline, or diesel, or bio-fuel diesel; it doesn't disrupt the petrochemical industry and doesn't disrupt the electrical energy grid, and reduces mining pollution and the conflict minerals trade. It keeps jet fuel, heating oil, gasoline and diesel prices in check. Vastly extends the Earth's remaing oil reserves (if you believe they are finite).

THAT is the smart approach and easily accomplished before 2035...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

There is definitely some truth to that. For example, why there are no diesel-hybrids available? With such a configuration, one could potentially benefit from the best of both worlds: excellent highway mileage from a diesel powertrain and efficient city low-emission driving on electric motors. Thinking about that I accepted the fact that we do not live in a perfect world, rational decisions our leaders should be making are flawed by politics, agendas, corruption, lobby etc. So let's just hope that common sense will prevail at some point...

When leadership doesn't understand the physical world they live in, common sense eludes them even at the lowest complexity level.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Common sense dictates that as more people switch to EV's and in northern climates switch away from fossil fuel home heating the need to produce/deliver increasing amounts of electricity will drive the prices up. Further as more people move to EV's government will lose tax revenue at the pumps. Government loves their taxes, so that loss will have to be made up and I suspect electricity will be their target.

most states charge extra fees for yearly registration for EV's to make up for the lost revenue at the pump.Governments can regulate electricity prices much easier than they can regulate OPEC

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

most states charge extra fees for yearly registration for EV's to make up for the lost revenue at the pump.Governments can regulate electricity prices much easier than they can regulate OPEC

It's different from state to state, and in Canada province to province, but from what I've seen I don't think the licensing fee of an EV offsets the lost gas tax at the pump, and the fact is licensing fees are already paid by owners of ICE and in many places were waved for EV's. To think EV's will remain cheap to charge and own is probably pie in the sky.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It’s 25 minutes or so to get to 80% TODAY.

Are you really saying 13 years from now this won’t improve?

It seems that you anti ev people DONT WANT it to improve which is odd.

If this was a vote on whether or not you guys want this to happen then that’s a different story.

Fact is, it’s going to happen so why not patiently wait for this technology to improve? Because it will.

I'm not anti EV. Never have been anti EV; I had an electric garden tractor in 1973 (GE ElecTrak Model E-15). Today, I use an electric push mower to cut the small areas of my yard.

I'm anti banning the consumption of gasoline because I think it makes for a better portable fuel than a chemical battery. Gasoline/diesel are not bad fuels, we just need to rethink the ways to use them. BEVs are an antiquated design and technology that are ultimately limited in range and recharge performance that will never match ICE. You keep saying the tech will improve but never say how. BEV hasn't improved much in 10 years to get anywhere near gasoline as a fuel source. 25 minutes to 80% (240 miles) is not even close to gasoline. As I showed, my 17-year old E90 has a 480 mile range and 5 minute recharge rate in Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall. LOL at BEV.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm not anti EV. Never have been anti EV; I had an electric garden tractor in 1973 (GE ElecTrak Model E-15). Today, I use an electric push mower to cut the small areas of my yard.

I'm anti banning the consumption of gasoline because I think it makes for a better portable fuel than a chemical battery. Gasoline/diesel are not bad fuels, we just need to rethink the ways to use them. BEVs are an antiquated design and technology that are ultimately limited in range and recharge performance that will never match ICE. You keep saying the tech will improve but never say how. BEV hasn't improved much in 10 years to get anywhere near gasoline as a fuel source. 25 minutes to 80% (250 miles) is not even close to gasoline. As I showed my 17-year old E90 has a 480 mile range and 5 minute recharge rate in Winter Spring Summer and Fall. LOL at BEV.

That 25 minute charge is often longer as often charging stations are broken or out of service and as there are more EV's on the road then there will be line ups. You may wait an hour before you can get your 25 min charge. I get pissed when I pull into the gas station and I have to wait for a pump, and usually continue my trip until I get to one that there isn't a line up.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

That 25 minute charge is often longer as often charging stations are broken or out of service and as there are more EV's on the road then there will be line ups. You may wait an hour before you can get your 25 min charge. I get pissed when I pull into the gas station and I have to wait for a pump, and usually continue my trip until I get to one that there isn't a line up.

Aside from the charging station actually working, there are issues with the car itself. There have been a few Youtube videos of EVs that were having software problems. Some required a software update to work with the charging station correctly. Imagine having to sit there doing an over the air update further delaying your trip. Some required a total system reboot to work correctly.

Yet another talking point on what I brought up many posts back that the lack of a standard for charging will cause all these issues.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

most states charge extra fees for yearly registration for EV's to make up for the lost revenue at the pump.Governments can regulate electricity prices much easier than they can regulate OPEC

Guess they forget when summer time comes gas goes up. I wonder how much is 91 in Cali these days. 7 bucks a gallon? Lmao

Jesus cross!!!!!

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Everyone will be driving around in 10 second EV's!

That thought is a little scary considering how much some BEVs weigh, like the Rivian or Hummer...

[lakefront]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

That thought is a little scary considering how much some BEVs weigh, like the Rivian or Hummer...

And what horrible drivers the majority of the public are....

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

That thought is a little scary considering how much some BEVs weigh, like the Rivian or Hummer...

Also, there is so many people just not interested in fast cars. Combine that with the insane weight of these vehicles this is not going to end well. More than likely, they will tone it down as far as torque and horsepower. They have to.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by lakefront

And what horrible drivers the majority of the public are....

No doubt about that!

I almost got t-boned the other day by a young driver who clearly did not understand the difference between a 4-way stop and a 2-way stop where cross traffic doesn't stop. I was on the road without a stop waiting for oncoming traffic to pass so I could make a left turn. Just as the oncoming traffic passed, a car to my right that was stopped on the cross street took off across the intersection onto the street I was turning towards.

They also looked completely dumbfounded, probably not even realizing they were in the wrong.

[Sedoy]

Yep, add 2023 BMW i7 xDrive60 to this list, the stupid thing weighs 6,067 lb. Not really sure how they managed that because Plaid is around 4,830 lbs with roughly the same battery and extra motor, must be all that soundproofing

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

That thought is a little scary considering how much some BEVs weigh, like the Rivian or Hummer...

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Also, there is so many people just not interested in fast cars. Combine that with the insane weight of these vehicles this is not going to end well. More than likely, they will tone it down as far as torque and horsepower. They have to.

Not every EV is a 3 second car..... there are plenty of them that mimic the slower ICE vehicles acceleration and performance...They do make fast ones though, for people who are interested in fast cars.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

That thought is a little scary considering how much some BEVs weigh, like the Rivian or Hummer...

It seems that it will make commuting easily.

Imagine people who can’t accelerate out of harms way? That causes accidents.

Imagine people being so upset with their slow ass car that it turns into road rage?

If we all had equal performance, how smooth would commuting be?

10 seconds daily’s I think everyone should experience lol

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Guess they forget when summer time comes gas goes up. I wonder how much is 91 in Cali these days. 7 bucks a gallon? Lmao

Jesus cross!!!!!

Guess they forget EV lose 20% to 30% range in the winter and have slower recharge rates. Lmaooooo.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Says the person who’s never owned an ev lmaoooooo

Last winter I lost roughly 15 miles of range overnight. Each night.

That’s with sentry mode on sitting from 630pm to 5am.

But i forgot that negates it all when I wake up with a fresh charge each night so it probably costs me 2 bucks a night.

Meanwhile that 2 dollars is for like 1 quart of gas for the rest of you lmaoooooo

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Guess they forget when summer time comes gas goes up. I wonder how much is 91 in Cali these days. 7 bucks a gallon? Lmao

Jesus cross!!!!!

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Guess they forget EV lose 20% to 30% range in the winter and have slower recharge rates. Lmaooooo.

That's if you can charge your EV last summer in Cali. Remember the plea from the Cali Gubment to not charge your EV due to the grid being overloaded?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Sucks for cali lol

Can't wait for the improvement by 2035 when we get ready for the final transition!

[KRS_SN]

I've been in a 2022 530e for the past 2 weeks(2l petrol engine mated to a 12kwh battery) as my x5 is with bmw due to a problem with electrics
Real life range of 32 miles on a full charge
Charges from.0-100% in 5 hours from an extension 3 pin lead
Runs 38mpg when battery depleted but then recharges the battery by regeneration so that power is available when needing to overtake or when going from standstill. Healthy 0-60 of 5.8
Very well built. Very comfortable. Very quiet.
Its a world apart from a tesla 3/y and better build than an s and interior is great has hud and buttons for everything.
My commute to work and back is 26 miles and I can easily do this on electric range
When I have trips of 100 miles the petrol motor is there
I'm very convinced that hybrid is the way to go than all out EV.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I've been in a 2022 530e for the past 2 weeks(2l petrol engine mated to a 12kwh battery) as my x5 is with bmw due to a problem with electrics
Real life range of 32 miles on a full charge
Charges from.0-100% in 5 hours from an extension 3 pin lead
Runs 38mpg when battery depleted but then recharges the battery by regeneration so that power is available when needing to overtake or when going from standstill. Healthy 0-60 of 5.8
Very well built. Very comfortable. Very quiet.
Its a world apart from a tesla 3/y and better build than an s and interior is great has hud and buttons for everything.
My commute to work and back is 26 miles and I can easily do this on electric range
When I have trips of 100 miles the petrol motor is there
I'm very convinced that hybrid is the way to go than all out EV.

For the life of me I can't understand why governments aren't even considering this as a option.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

For the life of me I can't understand why governments aren't even considering this as a option.

I don't understand either.
We have 100kwh battery of lithium which tales a toll on the earth when mining.
Is it more environmental friendly to put 25 each in a car with a small engine or lump the whole thing into an ev and expect the country and the infrastructure to cope magically and inconvenience a lot of people.