F1 2021: Italian GP - Monza (Sep 12)

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I watched it X times , HAM pushed MAX already off-track before entering turn 1

Watch this a few times, you'll see how a driver who doesn't want to cause a collision does it.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

houldnt have max left more room there ?

Bunch of hypocrites. I'm done here. You guys don't learn.

Maxi never has to leave room, he thinks he owns the track.

[Steeler]

And, surprise, surprise, both drivers finished the race.
Miss VET from his heydays.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XjWURDBKmYo

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

I don't understand you guys. You can't have it both ways

When someone barely crosses the white line with two (not 4) tires you cry foul.

But when someone crosses with all 4 over the white and gains an advantage you praise them for being such a great driver but they end up getting punished any ways, then cry again. Lol.

I didn't see the MAX fans shed a tear for Leclerc when he got sent off track by MAX in Austria. Shouldnt have max left more room there ?

Bunch of hypocrites. I'm done here. You guys don't learn.

We're only talking man, you're a long time forum member here so can't see why this would rattle you,just state yours and we'll state ours.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We're only talking man, you're a long time forum member here so can't see why this would rattle you,just state yours and we'll state ours.

I'm not rattled. Far from it. It's just mind boggling that some folks are living in their own world.

[e90335e36m3]

I don't know much, but I know that I can't wait for Russell to show what he can do at Mercedes and what excuses Hamilton and his supporters will start making when Russell starts winning. I wonder if anyone will start taking bets on how many times Hamilton will crash Russell if/when Russell becomes a threat. I mean he's crashed Albon, Verstappen and just about everyone else. Bottas was just never much of a threat.

I hope this ages well.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

I'll just leave this here

same video, I provided 2 posts up.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by tdott

same video, I provided 2 posts up.

You beat me to it

[tdott]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

See the excuses have already started. If you're in a car, you are racing to win, not for the fun of it. If he's winning it's because he's the best, if he's not it's because he chooses not to, c'mon.
Also did he suddenly become too old? Last season he was winning, now he's getting beaten by a clearly inferior driver like Verstappen who has never won a thing? Don't buy it.

It's just facts of the sport my friend, age/time waits for no body.

It's an age old argument in any comparison of sporting legends.
Michael Jordan / Kobe / Lebron / etc.

Everyone's prime doesn't line up.

MSC's last WDC was at 35 yrs old.
You'd have to go back 25 years to 1996 when Damon Hill won one (his one and only) at 36. To win a WDC 7 times is no small feat no matter who you are.

Let's wait and see.

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by tdott

It's just facts of the sport my friend, age/time waits for no body.

It's an age old argument in any comparison of sporting legends.
Michael Jordan / Kobe / Lebron / etc.

Everyone's prime doesn't line up.

MSC's last WDC was at 35 yrs old.
You'd have to go back 25 years to 1996 when Damon Hill won one (his one and only) at 36. To win a WDC 7 times is no small feat no matter who you are.

Let's wait and see.

You're right, people do get older, but I just don't find the argument very compelling in this case. Hamilton goes from consistently winning with no drop off to all of a sudden dropping off completely? I don't buy that argument. I've always said it's mostly the car, not Hamilton that is the GOAT but get demolished by the experts on this forum when I try to make that argument, just doesn't sit well with them. But now I'm getting, well he's too old, his priorities are different. I feel like when it's Hamilton, there's always an explanation. To me, the explanations just aren't that compelling. I don't know who the GOAT is, too many variables, certainly it is not Verstappen. But this whole Sir 7ewis business is out of control. Just my opinion.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

See the excuses have already started. If you're in a car, you are racing to win, not for the fun of it. If he's winning it's because he's the best, if he's not it's because he chooses not to, c'mon.
Also did he suddenly become too old? Last season he was winning, now he's getting beaten by a clearly inferior driver like Verstappen who has never won a thing? Don't buy it.

Max is an above average driver in a great car. If you have any doubt, look at his pole positions prior to this season vs this season. Prior to this season he only had 4 pole positions in his career. This season, alone, he's had 6 or 7. That is a very telling statistic.

Contrast this with Lewis in 2009. He had, what was rated by Autosport, the 6th fastest car on the grid. He achieved 4 pole positions and 2 wins in an absolute dog. That is more pole positions than Max had over his 5 year Red Bull Racing career.

And RIC beat him as well in their time at RB. In fact, Max's first win at RBR was managed because RB pitted Daniel, who was substantially ahead of Max, unnecessarily. This was done to GIVE Max the victory.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I've always said it's mostly the car, not Hamilton that is the GOAT but get demolished by the experts on this forum when I try to make that argument, just doesn't sit well with them.

It's already been proven wrong earlier in his career in a lessor car like MKS mentioned.

Max has achieved less comparatively.

[Bubbles]

For a moment, I thought Hammy was attempting to appeal to the steward’s sympathy given the makeshift neck brace.


Now I’m not so sure....is that a table cloth?

[Drew10]

Here is a summary of all previous and future Formula 1 threads:
Max good . Hamilton bad .

There, saved you some time. You're welcome.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by Drew10

Here is a summary of all previous and future Formula 1 threads:
Max good . Hamilton bad .

There, saved you some time. You're welcome.

Pretty much.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

For a moment, I thought Hammy was attempting to appeal to the steward’s sympathy given the makeshift neck brace.


Now I’m not so sure....is that a table cloth?

I'm impressed how Hammy is dressed there, nice suit with the chisel shoes but without the dangling white cloth of course,almost my style there!

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'm impressed how Hammy is dressed there, nice suit with the chisel shoes but without the dangling white cloth of course,almost my style there!

So your table cloths double as shirts?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

So your table cloths double as shirts?

Nope they dry dishes mate Hahahaha !!!

[Chappers 71]

Well...this is only my opinion.
I would say It's a combination of car & driver, if you look at both Lewis & Max's team mate's performance I would say that's pretty much the pace of the cars, the rest is made up by the driver.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

I don't understand you guys. You can't have it both ways

When someone barely crosses the white line with two (not 4) tires you cry foul.

But when someone crosses with all 4 over the white and gains an advantage you praise them for being such a great driver but they end up getting punished any ways, then cry again. Lol.

I didn't see the MAX fans shed a tear for Leclerc when he got sent off track by MAX in Austria. Shouldnt have max left more room there ?

Bunch of hypocrites. I'm done here. You guys don't learn.

29 Hypocrites ?

Who can beat this ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

More ....

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I don't know much, but I know that I can't wait for Russell to show what he can do at Mercedes and what excuses Hamilton and his supporters will start making when Russell starts winning. I wonder if anyone will start taking bets on how many times Hamilton will crash Russell if/when Russell becomes a threat. I mean he's crashed Albon, Verstappen and just about everyone else. Bottas was just never much of a threat.

I hope this ages well.

Won't happen . The Russell boy signed a pet shelter contract .