RIP Kobe Bryant 1978-2020

[Salty Dog]

[QUOTE=Anthony1s;25746882]

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

The evidence that I have is his wife citing that the number one reason for their divorce, then posting on twitter that he was still cheating a year ago.

Those cheating statistics in my experience, make people less willing to marry and trust their spouse, to trust and admire the opposite sex, etc etc.
Which I feel helps perpetuate things like feminism, and anti-men movements, and metoo movements, etc etc. It certainly doesn't help them.

I still struggle with trust issues, because I've watched my entire family (parents and aunts and uncles) all divorce by the time I was 17. Which influenced the relationships with the only two girlfriends I had, in that I wouldn't get close to them because "you're just gonna leave" and I don't speak up for my needs in a relationship because my needs, even to this day are ignored and when I speak up about needs I get responded with argument about why I don't need those things. Which is kinda a different topic I won't get into. But you get the point.

So you clearly have a lot of concern about infidelity, I don't care about Bryant's infidelity frankly because I don't have the energy to worry about some rich famous person cheating as it doesn't effect me. The only point I was trying to make was that the folks that are holding him out as some kind of saint need to know that he isn't and that if you hold someone out to be something they are not they shouldn't be surprised when it get's point out that he isn't. I find it surprising how many people are willing to completely ignore his misdeeds.

[Anthony1s]

[QUOTE=Salty Dog;25746924]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

So you clearly have a lot of concern about infidelity, I don't care about Bryant's infidelity frankly because I don't have the energy to worry about some rich famous person cheating as it doesn't effect me. The only point I was trying to make was that the folks that are holding him out as some kind of saint need to know that he isn't and that if you hold someone out to be something they are not they shouldn't be surprised when it get's point out that he isn't. I find it surprising how many people are willing to completely ignore his misdeeds.

Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say "The only point I was trying to make was that the folks that are holding him out as some kind of saint need to know that he isn't and that if you hold someone out to be something they are not they shouldn't be surprised when it get's point out that he isn't."

Specifically, why do people need to know that he wasn't a saint? And why is it important/dangerous for someone to idolize someone who isn't as good as they appear? I'm trying to understand why the points you are trying to make are important to you.

As far as the infidelity of famous people not affecting you. I think it may more than you think. I'm kinda running late right now and don't have time to explain, I think my previous comments explain some of it, but if you want me to explain further let me know.

[Mardio]

[QUOTE=Salty Dog;25746924]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

So you clearly have a lot of concern about infidelity, I don't care about Bryant's infidelity frankly because I don't have the energy to worry about some rich famous person cheating as it doesn't effect me. The only point I was trying to make was that the folks that are holding him out as some kind of saint need to know that he isn't and that if you hold someone out to be something they are not they shouldn't be surprised when it get's point out that he isn't. I find it surprising how many people are willing to completely ignore his misdeeds.

I think reading through this thread the same can be said that some people are just focusing on his misdeeds. So it becomes an argument of his sins vs his philanthropy work. Personally I feel like the young Kobe was an ass that made very poor decisions. But by age 41 he had matured and seemed more humble. He was doing good things for different organizations and was just getting started. But some people don't care about his philanthropy work and just want to focus on his mistakes. So your point seems to work both ways.

[Salty Dog]

[QUOTE=Anthony1s;25746992]

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say "The only point I was trying to make was that the folks that are holding him out as some kind of saint need to know that he isn't and that if you hold someone out to be something they are not they shouldn't be surprised when it get's point out that he isn't."

Specifically, why do people need to know that he wasn't a saint? And why is it important/dangerous for someone to idolize someone who isn't as good as they appear? I'm trying to understand why the points you are trying to make are important to you.

As far as the infidelity of famous people not affecting you. I think it may more than you think. I'm kinda running late right now and don't have time to explain, I think my previous comments explain some of it, but if you want me to explain further let me know.

I should have worded that differently. Bryant was a great basketball player, outstanding business man and seemingly good father. Folks want to remember him for that, and that's not my issue. It seems to be an effort to bury the sexual assault in Colorado. And when it's brought up some folks seem to lose their minds defending him. I don't understand that I'm afraid.

[pz619]

Lakers did a great job with the tribute to the lives that were lost.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

I should have worded that differently. Bryant was a great basketball player, outstanding business man and seemingly good father. Folks want to remember him for that, and that's not my issue. It seems to be an effort to bury the "alleged" sexual assault in Colorado. And when it's brought up some folks seem to lose their minds defending him. I don't understand that I'm afraid.

Fixed that for you.

[PURE340i]

Watched Kobe play since 1998 with Jordan. Kobe was special.... he brought our family together with nothing, but joy and screaming every time the Lakers were whopping everyone's ass.... fun times when they won a few championship games. Very unfortunate and sad. I did drop some tears when i heard the news. Legends never die.... MAMBA forever!

[Blksnowflake]

Here are some interesting coincidences.

Kobe passed away at the age of 41.
Kobe checked out of his final game with 4.1 seconds left.
Kobe’s last jump shot ever... guarded by #41 Trey Lyles.
#41 Trey Lyles last person to shoot the ball in that game
Kobe's points in last game 60. 101-60 = 41
His helicopter took off at 9:06am and crashed at 9:47am.... That’s 41 mins.

[bimmerguy1210]

Originally Posted by PURE340i

Watched Kobe play since 1998 with Jordan. Kobe was special.... he brought our family together with nothing, but joy and screaming every time the Lakers were whopping everyone's ass.... fun times when they won a few championship games. Very unfortunate and sad. I did drop some tears when i heard the news. Legends never die.... MAMBA forever!

Watching Kobe throughout the years was special. I was born n raised in LA and heavily into playing/watching basketball so the news was heart-breaking. It felt like a family member passed away. But like you said, legends never die. The MAMBA lives forever!

[adc100]

There is this radio announcer who night after night kept saying how deeply this hurts him. Kinda got old. I twittered him and told him he should seek counselling...and what is he going to do if his favorite goldfish dies.

I am not heartless but neither can I grieve for a person I don't even know.

[1MOREMOD]

Ha radio host saying they predicted it by having a dream about a volcano. No clue how that relates, text them that they were idiots to keep telling this story on air.

[Salty Dog]

Originally Posted by bimmerguy1210

Watching Kobe throughout the years was special. I was born n raised in LA and heavily into playing/watching basketball so the news was heart-breaking. It felt like a family member passed away. But like you said, legends never die. The MAMBA lives forever!

Seriously, you'd equate Kobe (a guy you never met) dying to say losing your wife or one of your kids?

[ny325]

The death of any athlete will never equate to loosing a family member.

[Fade_The_Public]

I'm positive the defenders are sports fans that watched him get cherry picked from high-school at 17 and the haters are the ones that are not sports fans at all.

The sports demographic (myself included) literally watched this kid grow up in front of our eyes. It is similar to losing a friend that you watched growing up as a teenager, young adult to mature 41yr old father. For the demographic that don't understand this, you probably never will unless you followed sports as intently as I did during his career. Trust me...this is a heavy loss for the community.

For those of you that don't share the same sentiment as I do, there's no point in arguing with you on whether or not Kobe did or didn't have consensual sex the plaintiff. Pay your respects or keep your opinions to yourself (yes because they are OPINIONS). The man was an absolute legend on and off the court.

[tigermack]

^ this or just stfu and keep on trucking. lol like when Prince died, I felt nothing, but many felt it through their veins. I never said anything about it and be like omg get over it, you never met him.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Fade_The_Public

I'm positive the defenders are sports fans that watched him get cherry picked from high-school at 17 and the haters are the ones that are not sports fans at all.

The sports demographic (myself included) literally watched this kid grow up in front of our eyes. It is similar to losing a friend that you watched growing up as a teenager, young adult to mature 41yr old father. For the demographic that don't understand this, you probably never will unless you followed sports as intently as I did during his career. Trust me...this is a heavy loss for the community.

For those of you that don't share the same sentiment as I do, there's no point in arguing with you on whether or not Kobe did or didn't have consensual sex the plaintiff. Pay your respects or keep your opinions to yourself (yes because they are OPINIONS). The man was an absolute legend on and off the court.

+1

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

people will do anything to stain his name; to pacify their own inadequacies. oh he accomplished so much more than I could; why am I such a lazy fuck...oh he rapes people; oh hes a bad teammates. FOH most can't even understand his mindset let alone achieve that level of focus and dedication

[hellrotm]

MJ"s farewell speech to Kobe today was perfect, thanks MJ.