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      01-21-2020, 01:04 PM   #727
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The B58 platform is the tits, I don't necessarily disagree with the "m340" moniker.

It's like an M3 lite, definitely not the same, just toned down a couple notches in every regard. Still a fantastic car though, despite its poor body styling lol
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Hahahaha you had me until... "smells different" and you obviously haven't heard an M340i rip with natural exhaust burbles, sounds better than a S55 IMO.

It makes you happy to see the M title on the registration..? Really?? Do you have it framed?
There's nothing natural about any modern car exhaust burble, though. They are all artificial; engineered to burble varying degrees through the tuning.

I do agree the B58 sounds better than the S55 and S58.
Well yeah duh, I meant natural as in it's straight out of the box OEM like that, no need for an aftermarket tune to get the burbles.
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I have both (e90 M3 and X3 M40i) and really surprised by the number of people (friends and strangers) who perceive X3 as a "real M" car. Most non-enthusiasts don't know the distinction and there are enough M logos on m40i X3 to confuse them. I personally find it annoying as I have to explain to them each time that there's actually a real X3M. This is probably what BMW intended and working brilliantly
The M and non-M (including the Mx40i...) are completely different cars, and platforms.
That is the biggest difference I noticed going from the F30 335i with all Mperformance stuff to the F80.
The speed and technology is a totally secondary thing....
I don't know why you keep comparing your 335i M Performance package car with an M340i, it's a night and day difference. Get it through you thick head or go drive one yourself before you start theorizing.

As explained many times and by others as well, the margin between your F30 PPK is far greater to the M340i, than the slim margin between M340i and the F80 M3.
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Hahahaha you had me until... "smells different" and you obviously haven't heard an M340i rip with natural exhaust burbles, sounds better than a S55 IMO.

It makes you happy to see the M title on the registration..? Really?? Do you have it framed?
E46 M3 has S54, i didnt say anything about S55..
if you dont agree.. just tell its enough, it can be.. cause clearly trying to make some jokes doesnt make you a genius anyway nicky dj..
That's fine, I appreciate your nostalgic affinity to the E46 M3, however the M340i blows it away in any performance aspect which is what M stands for "performance". The premise of this thread is the M340i worthy? You say no because of essence, I say yes because of its performance.
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That's fine, I appreciate your nostalgic affinity to the E46 M3, however the M340i blows it away in any performance aspect which is what M stands for "performance". The premise of this thread is the M340i worthy? You say no because of essence, I say yes because of its performance.
of course its better on stats cause its 20 years younger.. from the modern era M2C is a magnificent car for example..
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Aren't those really just C450 Sports?

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Well yeah duh, I meant natural as in it's straight out of the box OEM like that, no need for an aftermarket tune to get the burbles.
Well to be fair, the S55 in the M2C and F80/F82 competition package burble in stock form, too.
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Well yeah duh, I meant natural as in it's straight out of the box OEM like that, no need for an aftermarket tune to get the burbles.
Well to be fair, the S55 in the M2C and F80/F82 competition package burble in stock form, too.
Yes, absolutely. Which is a testament to M340i hitting the nail on the head getting it marginally close or even to those two.
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Yes, absolutely. Which is a testament to M340i hitting the nail on the head getting it marginally close or even to those two.
I'm sorry, you lost me a bit with that last sentence.. are you saying that one of the reasons M340i is close to/even with M2C and F80/82 is due to BMW programming burbles in each of their DME files?
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Yes, absolutely. Which is a testament to M340i hitting the nail on the head getting it marginally close or even to those two.
I'm sorry, you lost me a bit with that last sentence.. are you saying that one of the reasons M340i is close to/even with M2C and F80/82 is due to BMW programming burbles in each of their DME files?
No I'm saying the performance, feel and sound of a M340i is marginally close to a "real M" as in those two.
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Yeah Audi really started it, especially since S-Line included no additional engine performance and in many cases no suspension upgrades, it was all asthetics.

2 years ago I knew the extra ///M badging would come to the US when I was in Scotland, almost every BMW had M badges all over it straight from the dealer, in the kidneys, on the side, and the rear.

The dilution of the badge started in Europe a long time ago.

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Can't we all just join hands and just point and laugh at the Audi S lineup?
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which is what M stands for "performance".
Hitting us with the knowledge!! Here are Some other ones people might not know

Hyundai has started using "N" for their performance models which stands for "Race" (in Korean, the word for "Race" starts with the letter "N")

Honda's venerated "Type R" references the "R's" in the word "Performance"

The "F" in Lexus' performance line stands for "Excitement" since "F" and "E" are right next to each other in the alphabet.

Audi's "S" and "RS" aren't actually referencing words, but rather corner shapes, the "S" is obviously a gentle sweeper, while the "R" makes reference to the 'joker' lap that must be taken in rallycross races, further evoking audi's rallying history.

Lastly, i'd like to point out that the my M car does too smell better than more plebeian BMWs. That's why our brochures come with a scratch-m-sniff.
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Should we just call it a day, those arguing for 'real M' have lost the argument. B58 in the modern M performance cars have shifted the game for the M performance cars.

Enjoy the shit sounding double exhaust, gothic mirrors, m buttons and carbon roof and expensive suspensions that would be upgraded anyway. Oh and merino leather.

Just joking 🙃
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Yeah Audi really started it, especially since S-Line included no additional engine performance and in many cases no suspension upgrades, it was all asthetics.

2 years ago I knew the extra ///M badging would come to the US when I was in Scotland, almost every BMW had M badges all over it straight from the dealer, in the kidneys, on the side, and the rear.

The dilution of the badge started in Europe a long time ago.

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Can't we all just join hands and just point and laugh at the Audi S lineup?
I don't think any standard BMWs with the M Sport or M Performance package ever came with M badges in the grill.
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I don't think any standard BMWs with the M Sport or M Performance package ever came with M badges in the grill.
The first one did, the e12 M535i, see pix about 20pages back

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I don't think any standard BMWs with the M Sport or M Performance package ever came with M badges in the grill.
The first one did, the M535i, see pix about 20pages back
True!
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So Sorry to break my M brothers hearts, my lowly X2 M35i is an M, BMW says so
If not manufactured by BMW M GmbH (as illustrated on the inside door panel), strictly speaking, it's not an ///M.

Nothing wrong with the BMW AG Series cars either BTW; for their respective segments and class, they're usually pretty good cars.
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As explained many times and by others as well, the margin between your F30 PPK is far greater to the M340i, than the slim margin between M340i and the F80 M3.
These cars are a generation apart, makes no sense to compare those two considering they were not even on sale at the same time. Besides, there is suppose to be progress when a new generation comes out. The real test will be M340i to G80 M3. Unlikely that the margin will be "slim", but we'll see soon enough.
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As explained many times and by others as well, the margin between your F30 PPK is far greater to the M340i, than the slim margin between M340i and the F80 M3.
These cars are a generation apart, makes no sense to compare those two considering they were not even on sale at the same time. Besides, there is suppose to be progress when a new generation comes out. The real test will be M340i to G80 M3. Unlikely that the margin will be "slim", but we'll see soon enough.
I'm not comparing the two, I was pointing out the drastic difference between the two. OP was indicating that his F30 335i with the M Performance package was basically the same car and feel as the M340i just not assembled that way out of the factory. Not even close.
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Yes, absolutely. Which is a testament to M340i hitting the nail on the head getting it marginally close or even to those two.
I'm sorry, you lost me a bit with that last sentence.. are you saying that one of the reasons M340i is close to/even with M2C and F80/82 is due to BMW programming burbles in each of their DME files?
No I'm saying the performance, feel and sound of a M340i is marginally close to a "real M" as in those two.
I'm betting that margin will be quite wide in comparison to the G80 when it arrives. Maybe then the chest thumping can subside when you have a current-gen variant to compare your super car to.
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Yes, absolutely. Which is a testament to M340i hitting the nail on the head getting it marginally close or even to those two.
I'm sorry, you lost me a bit with that last sentence.. are you saying that one of the reasons M340i is close to/even with M2C and F80/82 is due to BMW programming burbles in each of their DME files?
No I'm saying the performance, feel and sound of a M340i is marginally close to a "real M" as in those two.
I'm betting that margin will be quite wide in comparison to the G80 when it arrives. Maybe then the chest thumping can subside when you have a current-gen variant to compare your super car to.
M shrine boys foaming at mouth waiting for their "bespoke" G80 M3 to come out to save grace, even though they won't won't like the front end as long as the ass end has an M (and the registration) that's all that "M"atters.
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M shrine boys foaming at mouth waiting for their "bespoke" G80 M3 to come out to save grace, even though they won't won't like the front end as long as the ass end has an M (and the registration) that's all that "M"atters.
Honestly, reading your posts, you come out as the biggest "fanboi" here. I am not sure what you have at stake, but you sure are intense about the topic.
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